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Nogen der har læst disse bøger og kan komme med et par kommentarer til om de er værd at købe.

Zen and the Art of Poker

The Tao of Poker: 285 Rules to Transform Your Game and Your Life

Ved godt de ikke har så meget med selve det strategiske element af spillet at gøre, men det psykologiske aspekt interessere mig også, deraf min interesse i disse bøger...

Nogen der har læst dem?

Mvh Mika

Jeg har læst halvdelen af Zen and the Art of Poker.

Nogle af rådene (som jo hander om at hvile i sig selv som pokerspiller, og undgå tilt og deslige) er meget gode og sjove. Som for eksempel at man ikke skal sætte sig ned ved et bord med en forventning om at vinde stort, for så bliver man ofte skuffet. Man skal istedet sætte sig ned med en forventning om at spille lige op. Så bliver man oftere positivt overrasket.

En anden finurlighed, er at man bør sætte sig ned med den ambition at folde en masse hænder de næste 4 timer.

Der er mange sådan små sjove ting i bogen.

Men på et tidspunkt begynder bogen at gentage sig selv lidt for meget. Nok derfor jeg ikke er kommet igennem den.

Jeg "kom til" at bestille Alan Schoonmaker - Psychology of poker, med i en Amazon bestilling, og har middel til store forventninger til den. Må være i samme poker-bog-sub-genre som de 2 i nævner. Er der nogen der ved om jeg skal glæde mig til den eller...?

:D Jesper

...og har ikke læst nogen af de andre, sorry... :I

@jeschper1:

Faldt over denne anmeldelse på nettet af POP...

"What in the world were they thinking?" I"m sure I"m not the only poker player who has asked this questions literally hundreds of times at the poker table. What drives players to play the way they do, especially if they play badly? What drives each of us to do things at the table that we know are costing us money? In The Psychology of Poker, Alan N. Schoonmaker, who holds a PhD in psychology, attempts to understand what motivates poker players and to understand how they think and why.

After an introduction, Schoonmaker asks the reader to examine their own game, looking at one"s own motivations and skills critically and honestly. Of course, if one isn"t truly honest, much of the rest of the book won"t help, but the author does a good job of guiding the reader toward understanding their true motivations. Poker skills are covered next, including reading hands and game selection, with a discussion about how one"s personal tendencies influence these skills. Next, Schoonmaker introduces a grid system on which players can be rated. Tightness vs. looseness and passiveness vs. aggressiveness are discussed, and the reader is guided through the process of rating oneself and other players on this scale.

The problem is that this doesn"t cover the whole picture. As one example, a player can be tight and aggressive, playing few hands but playing those strong, but if these hands are garbage, they won"t go very far. There"s at least a third axis (and probably several more) that includes good and bad decision making. Counting the number of hands and the proportion of raises to calls can be useful, but it still gives an incomplete picture, and this may lead to an improper strategy. The author does mention the possibility that a player may be of a mixed type, for example, tight and aggressive before the flop, but a calling station from then on. However, the book doesn"t give us a lot of information about why these people might play the way they do.

The next four sections cover various types of players focusing on the corners of the grid. We are told what the characteristics of players in each of the zones are likely to be, and some suggestions are made as to what motivates them. This is done from the perspective of analyzing the play of other players in each of these categories, as well as coming to terms with our own game if we fall into any given classification.

After this, the book presents some analysis of ways in which players self-destruct in their games, and what can be done to avoid it. Then we have the conclusion, and finally there are three appendices: A quiz covering whether the reader has the "right stuff" to play poker well, an article on why an aspiring poker player should think again if they"re considering turning pro, and quick summaries of the previous chapters.

Schoonmaker claims that he"s not a poker professional by any means, that he is a moderate winner in low limit games. He says that the purpose of his book is to analyze players, not give strategic advice, and that"s fine by me. However, I see a great deal of strategic advice in this book. Some of it is quite good, for example, I don"t recall seeing the concept of "buying outs" explained better. Some of it I have some minor disagreement with. The fact that David Sklansky reviewed the book from a strategic angle probably explains the generally good quality of this information. However, there isn"t nearly as much information about examining the motivations and methods of other poker players as I would have hoped, which is the author"s field of expertise, although what"s there is fairly decent.

Another deficiency is that almost nothing is said about the less extreme, "average" players that don"t have tendencies near the edge of the author"s grid, which is where we would probably locate the majority of players. Wh

>>After an introduction, Schoonmaker asks the reader to examine their own game, looking at one"s own motivations and skills critically and honestly.

Hehe, det er ihvertfald nok noget jeg kunne trænge til. Lyder afgjort som en ok bog, og hvis Sklansky har kigget på strategi afsnittene kan det vel ikke være helt skævt. Fin anmeldelse, tak Mika.

Må jeg også lige nævne at jeres SITN arrangement ser meget meget flot ud. Smukt arbejde. Er klart i overvejelses-mode, men kan ikke huske hvornår Forbundet holder den næste store, og det er jo trods alt lidt tættere på :D Anyway, alt held og lykke med det.

@Jesper.

Takker :-)

Helt sikkert et geografisk aspekt lige at have med i overvejelserne...

Men ser frem "måske" at se dig i det nordjyske om et par uger...

Mvh Mika

P.S. Siden jeg har fundet anmeldelsen på er denne: www.jetcafe.org/~npc/reviews/gambling/

Masser af gode anmeldelser og også af de 2 bøger jeg spurgte på. Jeg ville godt bare lige høre pokernetternes mening...

John Feeney: "Inside the poker mind" er også en glimrende bog om psykologien i poker. Går lidt videre en Schoonmakers bog.

Her kan du også se om du kan bestå AQ testen. (Som går ud på at være i stand til at folde AQ til en EP raiser).

Kim

Jeg har lige læst POP for nyligt, og jeg kan varmt anbefale den. Den vil næppe gøre ligeså meget for ens spil - som nybegynder - som andre bøger kan gøre (WLLH, TOP osv).

Men jeg synes den har hjulpet mig gevaldigt med bedre at forstå mine modspilleres motiver for at spille. Det gør også jeg nemmere kan acceptere når jeg bliver slået, ved at forstå hvorfor de spiller som de gør.

Den kan klart anbefales hvis man har læst de obligatoriske begynder poker bøger.