coolhand poker :D lol lol?

tænkte jeg lige ville tjekke det ud.

synes det er forkert af PN at linke hvis mine antagelser er rigtige.?

der er massere af sharks, de deler spillere med resten af mirco.
deres 3 table ideologi er allerede sat op til 10 tables. deres turneringer samt sngs er også delt med resten af mirco gaming netværket.

ergo. man signer op gennem coolhand poker for at miste muligheden for cashback :) simpelthen en joke! der er en genial post på 2p2 med en chat fra deres support. / google cool hand poker joke 2p2.


I could be way off though :)

Må indrømme at da jeg læste den chat der er blevet postet på 2+2, kom smilet sgu frem...

coolhand supporten har styr på det..

haha, det er så skidt

De må da lige stramme op derinde op Cool Hand

jeg har også set reklamen i fjernsynet og jeg har da også whinet over den et par gange, da det er noget pis de siger, men på den anden side så når de nok ikke så langt......

Har C/P support chatten fra den 2p2 tråd, den er sgu meget grineren:

Welcome to Cool Hand Poker, ClaytonP will be right with you.

Agent:
Hi there, and welcome to Cool Hand Poker.
How can I help you?

Agent:
Hi Alan

(United Kingdom) Alan:
Hi Agent...

(United Kingdom) Alan:
I saw your tv ad and to be honest was a bit concerned..

(United Kingdom) Alan:
given that you have tables up to 2/4 ...

(United Kingdom) Alan:
how can you suggest that a new member won't be playing against 'sharks' or 'pros'?

Agent:
thats why our highest NLHE cash tables are 2/4

Agent:
those limits are too low for Sharks and Pro's to be making a living off them

(United Kingdom) Alan:
do you allow multi tabling?

Agent:
you will normally find those sort of players on 10/20 and higher

Agent:
yes we do, we had a max of 3 tables previously but but you can now have 10 tables at a time

(United Kingdom) Alan:
ok...

(United Kingdom) Alan:
so it is the opinion of the poker site that a living cannot be made multi tabling up to 10 tables at 2/4?

(United Kingdom) Alan:
seriously?

ClaytonP:
I am not saying it is not possible, but why would you?

ClaytonP:
if you able to do the same thing on another site on higher limit tables

(United Kingdom) Alan:
Well because people have varying bankroll sizes and because there tends to be an increase in the skill of opponents as limits increase

Agent:
I dont think your you would be earning the same amount per hour on such low limits

Agent:
even with 10 tables

(United Kingdom) Alan:
If I could win 2 big blinds per hour that would be £8 per table

(United Kingdom) Alan:
or up to £80 per hour 10 tabling

Agent:
is that enough to make a living for a poker pro?

(United Kingdom) Alan:
I'm guessing it's more than you get paid

Agent:
and take into account the higher variance you have on the lower tables with less experienced players?

(United Kingdom) Alan:
Higher variance?

(United Kingdom) Alan:
You are suggesting it's tougher to beat bad players?

Agent:
yes, sometimes it is

Agent:
I understand your concerns about that, but consider this as well

Agent:
we dont offer rakeback

Agent:
and as far as i am aware none of the other sites on the Network are allowed to either

Agent:
why would a shark or a pro play on a site that does not offer rakeback?

(United Kingdom) Alan:
Because the site is advertising in particular to attract poorer players

Agent:
also we have have green private tables availble, and you can be assured to find no sharks or pro's there

(United Kingdom) Alan:
Why is that?

Agent:
no, I dont think so

Agent:
we do have some very wealthy players on our site

Agent:
what we are promoting is Poker for Pleasure

Agent:
rather than poker to make a living

Agent:
we want you to play for longer

(United Kingdom) Alan:
I meant poor in terms of ability rather than wealth

(United Kingdom) Alan:
And that is my point

Agent:
because I play for pleasure, does not mean I am a poor player?

Agent:
just means my attitude towards the game is different

(United Kingdom) Alan:
My friend looked at signing up simply because she wants to play recreationally against other players who are just out for fun

(United Kingdom) Alan:
she wants to avoid people on stars and ft who are taking it seriously

Agent:
ok, and what sort of limits does your friend play?

(United Kingdom) Alan:
playing against her is way better than getting rakeback

(United Kingdom) Alan:
She hasn't played before.

(United Kingdom) Alan:
She earns about $40k pa so I don't know what would be meaningful to her

Agent:
ok, well if she hasnt played before, I would imagine she isnt go to deposit a big amount up front

(United Kingdom) Alan:
Heh,

(United Kingdom) Alan:
I hope not

Agent:
like any new player, you need to start at the lower limit tables

Agent:
and she is sure not going to find any sharks on limits like 0.50/1

(United Kingdom) Alan:
ok

Agent:
she is the player we trying to attract, she really just wants to play for fun

(United Kingdom) Alan:
do you not thing the term 'shark' is contextual?

Agent:
what do you define as a shark?

(United Kingdom) Alan:
isn't a consistently winning player at .5/1 a shark?

Agent:
surely thats a good player

Agent:
and I doubt we have any of those sort of players on our site

Agent:
to give you an idea of what I mean

Agent:
we are running a My Poker Challenge

Agent:
to get maximum points, you need to be a winning player for 30 days in a row

Agent:
no one has even come close

Agent:
just want to give you an idea of the players we have playing with us

(United Kingdom) Alan:
Sure...

(United Kingdom) Alan:
and that was exactly my concern

Agent:
but what the players are finding is that with our Loyalty Program, and the many freerolls we have running, their bankroll last longer on Cool Hand

Agent:
which means they play longer

Agent:
and enjoy it more

(United Kingdom) Alan:
a good player/pro/shark should be attracted to your site despite no rakeback because you are advertising for players who do not want to play against good players/pros/sharks because they are only playing recreationally

(United Kingdom) Alan:
ok, thanks for your help Agent

Agent:
but then we need to go back to the size of our tables

Agent:
still dont offer those high limits that attract those players

Agent:
why would they waste their time here

Agent:
tell your freind to try our site

(United Kingdom) Alan:
I guess we disagree about how much money can be made

Agent:
what sort of player are you?

(United Kingdom) Alan:
what do you think is a typical win rate for a good player?

(United Kingdom) Alan:
in terms of big blinds per hour

Agent:
my knowledge is not that good, so i dont think i could give a good answer

(United Kingdom) Alan:
if I said 4 big blinds per hour would that sound ok?

(United Kingdom) Alan:
playing against novice players?

Agent:
so you saying, on 2/4, my profit in an hour is $16?

(United Kingdom) Alan:
yes

Agent:
ok, but what sort of bankroll you sitting at a table with?

Agent:
100 blinds?

(United Kingdom) Alan:
ok

(United Kingdom) Alan:
let's say that

Agent:
so you you making 4%

Agent:
per hour

Agent:
I dont know if that is big enough to earn a living

Agent:
what do you think?

(United Kingdom) Alan:
The % is irrelevant

(United Kingdom) Alan:
$16 ph x 5 or 6 tables

(United Kingdom) Alan:
what do you think?

(United Kingdom) Alan:
$16 ph x 5 or 6 tables

Agent:
about $20k per month

Agent:
if you put it that way, I see your point

(United Kingdom) Alan:
More than either of us earn I'd guess

Agent:
so maybe what I need to suggest to my Poker Team, is to reduce the tables back to 3?

(United Kingdom) Alan:
Well, if you don't want to attract the sharks, I would say yes.

Agent:
I like your point

(United Kingdom) Alan:
It doesn't even take 2/4 to make a good living

Agent:
can I put it forward to my guys and see what they say?

Agent:
I would love to hear their input, and I can email you their response

(United Kingdom) Alan:
You can do the same maths for yourself at lower stakes and see how much can me made by a compenent player multi tabling

(United Kingdom) Alan:
That's great Agent

Agent:
but back to your friend

(United Kingdom) Alan:
I appreciate your timer

(United Kingdom) Alan:
time

Agent:
tell her she should come try, we have freeolls running every hour

Agent:
she can have a great time, without a big bank roll

Agent:
and on selective tables, she can steer clear of any sharks that escaped through the nets

(United Kingdom) Alan:
Sure, I take your point that at the lower end of the stakes there is no real issue. My only point was that I found your ad slightly misleading as the stakes rise

Agent:
point taken

(United Kingdom) Alan:
As I say, thanks for your help

Agent:
my pleasure

Agent:
its been great chatting to you

(United Kingdom) Alan:
Have a good evening

Agent:
and you too

Agent:
Join our Facebook page “The Official Cool Hand Poker Group” to keep up to date with the latest news and events at Cool Hand.
Thank you for contacting Cool Hand Poker Support.
Good luck, and see you at the tables.

Visitor (United Kingdom) Alan has ended the chat.

det er bare priceless :D

Damn en amatør-agtig supporter.......

Synes ikke supporteren er så amatør-agtig. Hvad enten han er en slum-inder der bare ikke ved bedre end hvad supportens manualer siger han skal sige, eller han er en pokerspiller, der fatter noget, så er han jo underlagt det scheme som hans arbejdsgiver sætter op for ham.

Faktisk synes jeg at han er fin nok ift. det jeg tidligere har set hos diverse pokersites. Han er jo formentlig godt klar over at deres promotions er på grænsen til det scammy, men han kan ikke gøre andet end at lire standard-talen af, acceptere at brugeren har ret og derefter sende ticketen videre til hans overordnede.

Noget helt andet er, jeg forstår simpelthen ikke at de må reklamere på den måde. Det er jo direkte (og meget bevidst) vildledning, når de deler netværk med micro og fremsætter de påstande.

"Noget helt andet er, jeg forstår simpelthen ikke at de må reklamere på den måde. Det er jo direkte (og meget bevidst) vildledning, når de deler netværk med micro og fremsætter de påstande."

Men hvis fiskene tror på det, så er de så dumme at det ville være en synd IKKE at tage deres penge...

Jeg må også sige at deres marketing er på grænsen, eller muligvis over grænsen.

uanset hvad er det dårlig stil :(

Hvorfor kommer denne post først nu, hvor PN har fjernet den grimme lyseblå Cool Hand streamer?

Det kunne have være fedt at stille DTM nogle sjove spørgsmål om dette emne, mens han var i brønden og streameren blafrede som et flag på toppen af PokerNetsiden.

DTM mener jo, at PN kun lukker seriøse "partnere" ind, og Cool Hands promotion er jo ikke ligefrem topseriøs.

@Holstt

Der er stor forskel på at være en partner, og så have et banner. Vi har fx ingen konto hos dem.

@nothing878

I må da have sagt god for denne side, nu når i har haft dem som banner reklame på jeres site ?

@nothing

Ja, men det skulle nu ikke have afholdt mig fra at stille brøndgraveren nogle barnligmuntre spørgsmål desangående.

8)

Og et eller andet sted er der vel grænser for, hvad PokerNet vil lægge site space til, selvom man får penge for det?
Men jeg går ud fra, at I ikke var bekendt med den falske markedsføring, da I lavede aftalen med Den Kolde Hånd.


red.: Stavebøf

Selvfølgelig var vi ikke bekendt med falsk markedsføring.

Så er kvalitetskontrollen ikke særlig god da (jeg skulle da obv direkte ind og se hvad fanden det var for noget, da jeg så tv-reklamen). Hvis i har fjernet den, så thumbs up. Den burde også overtræde de fleste markedsføringslovgivninger anyway (ikke at jeg ved om den overtræder den maltesiske, men bevares, det er jo et scam), så væk med dem.