Hi
I been fortune to have a experienced STT and MTT player helping me with my gaming a bit latley and we also play MTT togheter sometimes and we have quite intense discussions on some hands.... so here we go, this hand we are NOT agreeing on and i would like to hear others opinion. Especially why am such MORON (lol) thinking the way i do ......
The tournament is a 20K guarantee and its 6 left on FT.
First place pays 6K and 6th place pays 1K
As a sidenot i can say its first place that counts here for us nothing else.
Game #4752972954: Hold'em NL 2000/4000 - 2007/06/19 - 19:07:52 (DST)
Table "1" Seat 2 is the button.
Seat 1: player 1 (123 403 in chips)
Seat 2: player 2 (31 764 in chips)
Seat 3: player 3 (83 862.50 in chips)
Seat 7: "Hero" (159 962 in chips)
Seat 8: player 8 (35 350 in chips)
Seat 9: player 9 (58 158.50 in chips)
player 3: posts the ante 500
"Hero" : posts the ante 500
player 8: posts the ante 500
player 9: posts the ante 500
player 1: posts the ante 500
player 2: posts the ante 500
player 3: posts small blind 2000
"Hero": posts big blind 4000
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to "Hero" A♦9♣
player 8: folds
player 9: raises to 12000 (weak, fold to raises)
player 1: folds
player 2: folds
player 3: calls 10000 (steady but often folds on a flop bet)
Hero : ? (very agressive, defends blinds 200% all trought tourney, active, controlling the table more or less)
So what you do?
Needless to say we totaly disagree, *smile*
All you "great" online tourney playes out there, Bajawa, C_hope, Dokkedal, Kongsgaard and so on i want to know what you done. To me its a very easy choise but well.. ;-) who am i to speak!
Anna panna....
and incase someone now get offended that i cant their names, i simple dont know the nicks in here on who is tourney player or not so pls dont start to nag about that...i just want feedback, ok?
FT hand, how you play it?
hmmm kommer an på hvor tit du har set player 9 raise, hvis han har været meget aktiv skubber jeg bare her, ellers kunne jeg sagtens finde på lige at tage et flop af...
Du har masser tid her, ingen panik i det spot der.
et raise + et call før dig...
med din position i touren vil du ikke op imod seat 9
med kun en marginal hånd her.
Det nemmeste fold i verden
Fold. Jeg bryder mig ikke om at lave ballede med Ax i dette spot, da det imo er alt for store chancer for at du er domineret hvis du får et call.
Med 2 levende kort som Q10, QJ osv. han jeg godt finde på at skubbe som en møgtyr :)
@C4Queen
Jeg er ellers vant til at folk herinde syntes at jeg er en idiot...
sikkert fordi jeg ikke lægger fingre imellem i mine posts.
men helt sikkert også fordi jeg har tjent kassen og folk har
ondt i røven over det :))
@filthbastard
"Med 2 levende kort som Q10, QJ osv. han jeg godt finde på at skubbe som en møgtyr :)"
100% enig... Der er bare ikke grund til det her, som CL på FT
med 2 andre i hånden der vil slås.
Jeg er enige med folk om at den ikke skal spilles. Hvis man skal ud og spille den så skal du vel vurdere hvad spiller 9 vil raise med og så lægge sig til. Du kan vel få ham til at smide noget der ligner A-T og ned muligvis A-J. Samt par der ligger under 8. Skal dog siges at jeg på ingen måder er en haj til det der kortspil... :-)
er da en perfekt squeeze situation, til at samle lidt lette chips op. Jeg siger 50k og forventer 2x fold.
apprentice, det var da en underlig post, næppe mange der har ondt over at andre tjener penge på et poker forum.
c4q, lol do u go by the name of c4dragon anywhere ?
anyway standard fold
Freakstar -> Så kan du ligeså godt skubbe.... Du folder jo anyways ikke til et skub fra nogen af dem, når du committer dig så meget.
Og vil du virkelig spille for over 50% af din stack på dette tidspunkt med A9 ?!? specielt når du er så godt med.
IMO easy fold.
Hilsen
Sugeren
LOL
"C4Dragon" no i dont, but great name!
Have you seen anyone called that?
The town i live in is C4taxi, C4police, C4 hairdresser, C4hotell and C4 this and C4that, due to that over sexuall danish king christian that once took over this town....(the man had 24 known kids and 6 wifes or something.. christ you Danes know how to enjoy eh?)
So my poker club is C4poker, so OBVIOUSLY i MUST be the Queen i think..... lol! Humble? Narrrhhhhh....
thanks for the input guys, i will post the rest later on, right now am back from removing a TOOTH, OMG big whole, big face, and soon BIG BIG pain!
Stoped and bought a bottle of wiskey on my way home though, isnt that what they do on all those Western movies when having tooth pain?
anna panna
Yes to me this is an easy fold.
Might maybe consider to see the flop and just call the 8k to do so but only since we paid already BB.
Hero : raises to 159 462 and is all-in
Player 9: folds
Player 3: is all-in 71 362.50
Returned uncalled bets 76,099.50 to Hero
----- FLOP ----- 4 ♠ 7 ♠ 6 ♦
----- TURN ----- 4 ♠ 7♠ 6♦ T♠
----- RIVER ----- 4♠ 7♠ 6♦ T♠ 6♣
----- SHOW DOWN -----
Hero : shows A ♦ 9♣ (A Pair of Sixes, Ace high)
Player 3: shows K♦ K ♣ (Two Pairs, Kings and Sixes, Ten high)
Player 3 collected 181725 from Main pot
C4:
Raise to scoop the pot!
Im off for workout.
Asger Dokkedal
www.dokkedalpoker.dk
"very agressive, defends blinds 200% all trought tourney, active, controlling the table more or less"
Dette faktum er meget, meget væsentligt. For det første vil jeg mene at det, med det image som HERO tilsyneladende har, er ganske usandsynligt at en weak spiller vælger at hæve ind i big stackens blind, hvis ikke han har tænkt sig at spille den til bunds.
Villian vil alt for ofte have en hånd han ønsker at gå død på, til at det er profitabelt at raise i dette tilfælde. Derudover er et uheldigt at vores tilsyneladende store fe spoleres af vi kommer til showdown med en skæv hånd.
Brug din stack til at presse folk i spot, hvor der ikke er meget der indikerer de skulle have specielt gode hænder.
Relativt urutineret og sandsynligvis en smule dårlig evne til at spotte dynamik, der gør man ønsker at sende stacken til midten i dette spot.
@Dokkedal
Well did it scoop the pot? I dont think you would have gone all, wud u?
I fold any day of the week.
@Lopenthin
""Dette faktum er meget, meget væsentligt. For det første vil jeg mene at det, med det image som HERO tilsyneladende har, er ganske usandsynligt at en weak spiller vælger at hæve ind i big stackens blind, hvis ikke han har tænkt sig at spille den til bunds.""
this i think too and second.. but it wasent really the raiser who turned out to be the treath but the one calling that raise.
@Bajawa
I want to know what you wud have done? Pls.
i see it like this; i put 4500 in that pot and am sitting with a stack of over 150 000, no big deal let him have the 4500.
I dont gamble them for an A9 on a raise and a limp call to that rasie. I just dont. But am not the pro.
And i also think like this,, we been so agressive so the caller to the rasie, the one with KK KNOW we are going to do his job ;-)
Ah well bye gones, new power again tonight!
C4Queen, yeah saw a player named C4dragon and thought of you, go figure : O )
anyway, how I think about your hand. we got a raise, and a caller, we are very often dominated here and got absolutely no reason to play the hand.
@live
""got absolutely no reason to play the hand""
i think i love you.
Selvom det er et oplagt squeeze så er det dumt at comitte halvdelen af sin stack på en så mariginal holding fold og vent på et bedre spot eller på de andre buster hinanden vi er stadig fint med.
Jeg har lige et sidespørgsmål Anna. Du skriver, at du igennem hele turneringen har forsvaret dine blinds 200% (selvom jeg mener der er noget advertising i det overfor kommende modstandere - men nevermind ;) ). Jeg kom til, at tænke på hvordan det kan lade sig gøre i praksis. Lad os tage et tænkt eksempel:
De fleste normale turneringer har en startstack på 1500 så det har den her også.
Du har lavet et par moves som ikke er lykkedes og har lagt lidt blinds uden rigtigt at have samlet nogen hænder op. Det vil sige at din stack på nuværende tidspunkt er på 1100. Blinds er på 50/100.
Du sidder i BB med 9♣3♦. UTG+1 limper og en aktiv spiller i CO gør det til 400. Vil du stadigvæk ligge de 400 fordi vedkommende ikke skal stjæle dine blinds. Jeg mener hvordan forsvarer du dine blinds når din stack er ret lille i forhold til blinds og du sidder med svage hænder?
Håber du forstår mit spørgsmål ellers må du sige til hvis du skal have den på engelsk ;)
Allerede før jeg så resultatet af hånden, vidste jeg udemærket hvad jeg ville gøre.
Med din stack har jeg råd til at tage 3 billige kort af, leade 20K ved 3 rags, folde til raise. A9 er sjældent en hånd jeg bryder mig om at resteale med. En A9 hånd skal raises for value eller smides. I denne spot kan et call forsvares, når man tager stack sizes i betragtning.
@burnz
Thanks for input, i do understand ;-)
first of all, about tdefending blinds, well am very agressive with my blinds and my "mentor" is 500% worse, lol, so its really no advertising its the truth. But however, in the situation you descripe i wouldnt defend my blinds no, for many reasons, in that stage its "building stack" and a lot of people gamble more to either double or get out. But when holding and built up a great stack yea, i defend my blinds like hell, almost stupid much sometimes, lol. I know. You dont have to say it. *smile*
but in this situation in the tournament i would have fold OR maybe seen a flop.... i would never pushed all in and there is where I and my mentor disagree but i also understand his point if the CO caller didnt have a hand we easy peasy pick up 30 k more to add to our stack. Now he had KK and we didnt, and we where still left with a decent stack.
thanks for input, Me like!
@Venlov
Ja i agree in what you say ABC ABC ABC , ;-) boring but neccecary depending who your oponent around the table are, however am not good in that ABC shit, lol...and my mentor is a crazy bugger so well.. He pushed i scream fold. Thanks for sharing Me-like!
Maybe i should go for a less agressive mentor, anyone up for it?
He is really an agressive player and such a stubborn moron from times to time ;-) but i never seen a greater player in STT and online MTT (well in MTT Bajawa is the king but far from that) so i still think i can learn tons from him and I KNOW you are reading dear so keep it coming!
Now, back to the tables boys!
anna panna