hele dette bord skulle sgu meldes, vi er hand by hand, ligger selv fint, men kigger lidt med hos de andre for at se spillestil hos big stacks
PokerStars Game #26035142196: Tournament #148438906, $4.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level X (300/600) - 2009/03/16 22:37:11 CET [2009/03/16 17:37:11 ET]
Table '148438906 13' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: Madasebrof (25889 in chips)
Seat 2: ludivineg (16359 in chips)
Seat 4: Lol, Cigaro (9083 in chips)
Seat 5: zirconwer (570 in chips)
Seat 6: BirgerCzech (16763 in chips)
Seat 7: [The---WlRE] (14098 in chips)
Seat 9: b82ReZ (10070 in chips)
Madasebrof: posts the ante 50
ludivineg: posts the ante 50
Lol, Cigaro: posts the ante 50
zirconwer: posts the ante 50
BirgerCzech: posts the ante 50
[The---WlRE]: posts the ante 50
b82ReZ: posts the ante 50
Lol, Cigaro: posts small blind 300
zirconwer: posts big blind 520 and is all-in
*** HOLE CARDS ***
BirgerCzech: folds
[The---WlRE]: folds
b82ReZ: folds
Madasebrof: folds
ludivineg: folds
Lol, Cigaro: folds
Uncalled bet (220) returned to zirconwer
zirconwer collected 950 from pot
zirconwer: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 950 | Rake 0
Seat 1: Madasebrof folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: ludivineg (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Lol, Cigaro (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: zirconwer (big blind) collected (950)
Seat 6: BirgerCzech folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: [The---WlRE] folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: b82ReZ folded before Flop (didn't bet)
LOL collusion ?
cigaro gør det lige en gang til
PokerStars Game #26035418009: Tournament #148438906, $4.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level X (300/600) - 2009/03/16 22:44:32 CET [2009/03/16 17:44:32 ET]
Table '148438906 13' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: Madasebrof (21504 in chips)
Seat 2: ludivineg (15109 in chips)
Seat 4: Lol, Cigaro (7833 in chips)
Seat 5: zirconwer (1940 in chips)
Seat 6: BirgerCzech (25126 in chips)
Seat 7: [The---WlRE] (12620 in chips)
Seat 9: b82ReZ (8700 in chips)
Madasebrof: posts the ante 50
ludivineg: posts the ante 50
Lol, Cigaro: posts the ante 50
zirconwer: posts the ante 50
BirgerCzech: posts the ante 50
[The---WlRE]: posts the ante 50
b82ReZ: posts the ante 50
Lol, Cigaro: posts small blind 300
zirconwer: posts big blind 600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
BirgerCzech: folds
[The---WlRE]: folds
b82ReZ: folds
Madasebrof: folds
ludivineg: folds
Madasebrof said, "nh"
Lol, Cigaro: folds
Uncalled bet (300) returned to zirconwer
zirconwer collected 950 from pot
zirconwer: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 950 | Rake 0
Seat 1: Madasebrof folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: ludivineg (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Lol, Cigaro (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: zirconwer (big blind) collected (950)
Seat 6: BirgerCzech folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: [The---WlRE] folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: b82ReZ folded before Flop (didn't bet)
ja enten er det collusion ,ellers er han da helt forskruet
og ikke har en anelse om hvad poker er..
men altså det klart man får den ide!!
har du skrevet til support?
det kunne jeg snildt have fundet på,for et eller andet må der da være galt:)
ja smed den første til support, egentlig ligeglad, men den der er imo lidt klam
godt live...man kan ligeså godt gøre det med det samme:)
tænk hvis du en dag sad mod ham igen,og det var afgørende
for din sejr..
mvh mick:)
Forstår godt den bliver sendt til support, men er sgu næsten sikker det bare er en nød der sidder og tænker at han er dårligt inde i det spot og hellere bør folde så han sparer 10 chips. At hans odds så er 1/10 det tænker han da bare ikke lige over.
Men satme, det er et godt fold.
/henrik
Nurse er spot on, han er bare blank :O)
Hello Dennis,
Thank you for bringing this to our attention. We take the integrity of our
games very seriously and welcome every opportunity to ensure that they are
played fairly and honestly. Protecting the integrity of the game is of the
utmost importance.
Although we do monitor the games for collusion, we always appreciate
vigilant players such as yourself reporting any strange or unusual play to
us for review. I have completed my investigation into the accounts of the
players 'zirconwer' and 'Lol, Cigaro’.
The first thing that we look for in such cases is a relationship between
the two players. In this instance, 'zirconwer' and 'Lol, Cigaro' live
in different countries. Geographical factors do sometimes indicate a
relationship between players, however in this situation, these players live
in United States and Romania respectively. In addition they have never
logged in from a common computer or Internet connection.
We then look for frequency of play together. We are looking to see if
these players seem to be seeking each other out. Although a high frequency
of play is not necessarily an indictment, it can be an indication of
unethical play. In this case they have only ever played three tournaments
together - the one which you reported. There are also no other links
between their accounts that would indicate any kind of relationship.
The final step can only come through reviewing their play of course.
When checking for collusion we simply replay the tournament with the cards
face up. We look for several things which include, but are not limited to:
1. Squeeze play - the players re-raise each other in an effort to drive
a third from the pot.
2. Pot building - the players put in small bets that entice others to
call when one of them makes a big hand, in the hope of building a larger
pot, and perhaps commit a player.
3. Stack balancing - the player with the larger stack purposely loses
to the smaller stack to ensure both players remain in the game.
4. Softplay - this is where one player who holds a really strong hand
decides not to bet his hand against another. It is very similar to (3)
stack balancing, and many stack balances are also softplays.
(1) and (2) above usually requires the sharing of hole card information
externally to the game, however for (3) and (4), if two players just
happen to have a policy of not clashing against one another, then they do
not necessarily need to have any knowledge of one another's cards.
However, I have located the hand you have referred to and it appears below;
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PokerStars Game #26035142196: Tournament #148438906, $4.00+$0.40 Hold'em No
Limit - Level X (300/600) - 2009/03/16 17:37:11 ET
Table '148438906 13' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: Madasebrof (25889 in chips)
Seat 2: ludivineg (16359 in chips)
Seat 4: Lol, Cigaro (9083 in chips)
Seat 5: zirconwer (570 in chips)
Seat 6: BirgerCzech (16763 in chips)
Seat 7: [The---WlRE] (14098 in chips)
Seat 9: b82ReZ (10070 in chips)
Madasebrof: posts the ante 50
ludivineg: posts the ante 50
Lol, Cigaro: posts the ante 50
zirconwer: posts the ante 50
BirgerCzech: posts the ante 50
[The---WlRE]: posts the ante 50
b82ReZ: posts the ante 50
Lol, Cigaro: posts small blind 300
zirconwer: posts big blind 520 and is all-in
*** HOLE CARDS ***
BirgerCzech: folds
[The---WlRE]: folds
b82ReZ: folds
Madasebrof: folds
ludivineg: folds
Lol, Cigaro: folds
Uncalled bet (220) returned to zirconwer
zirconwer collected 950 from pot
zirconwer: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 950 | Rake 0
Seat 1: Madasebrof folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: ludivineg (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Lol, Cigaro (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: zirconwer (big blind) collected (950)
Seat 6: BirgerCzech folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: [The---WlRE] folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: b82ReZ folded before Flop (didn't bet)
**************************************************************************
In this instance I would have to personally agree with what you are
suggesting - someone familiar with the concept of eliminating players wopuld
be inclined to call or shove all-in with almost any two cards in 'Lol,
Cigaro's position.
However, at Sit & Go Tournaments of this buy-in, not all players understand
this concept and how it is profitable to jam all-in, in such spots.
It is also possible that 'Lol, Cigaro' was not aware of 'zirconwer 's small
amount of chips and consequently folded their hand based on their holding as
oppose to their stack. In such situations it is certainly viable that some
players playing a large stack tend to fold or call based purely on their own
hands and do not take into account the stacks of others.
In addition, it should be noted that 'Lol, Cigaro' did have extremely poor
cards in both these hands (I can't reveal his hands to you, but most players
would be accustomed to throwing it straight in the muck). I can appreciate
why this might have appeared suspicious to you at the tables, however I am
satisfied that in this instance there was nothing untoward about this and no
collusion was occurring.
Overall, given the lack of any previous play together, the lack of any
relationship between their two accounts, and the lack of any suspicious
play during this event, there is nothing to indicate that these two
players are colluding in any way. I will however place notes in both
player's accounts indicating this review and your concerns, and if any
future suspicious play is noted between them, there will be a record of
your email for reference.
As you can see, we have a lot of tools at our disposal which help us keep
our games honest and fair. In addition, the thousands of honest, vigilant
players who point out situations that merit investigation are an important
part of our arsenal. Thank you for doing your part to protect the
integrity of our games
If there is anything else we can assist you with please do not hesitate to
contact us further.
Thank you for choosing PokerStars.
Regards,
James H
PokerStars Support Team
Jeg har været udsat for det der et par gange efterhånden, hvor folk caller blind, og så går lowstack all in med 20 ekstra i blind på 200/400. Og så folder han den, og så ryger jeg ud istedet for i double or nothing :s
Det lugter af aftalt spil uden lige :s
Hmm ikke helt samme spot men hvis vi f. eks. er 4 tilbage og jeg har godt cl og kan sidder og grinde de 3 andre ned eks: jeg har 35.000 og de har 9k , 10k og 4k Kan jeg sagtens finde på at lade ham med 4 k være i live da de andre to er så tilbøjgelige til at folde sig langt ned for at stige en tak i præmierne i mtt sngs.
dit eks: Ligner det jo bare at ham Cigaro er en kæmpe nød som ikke tænker. Set det MANGE gange online!