My Son's Gamble - NY Times artikel

Ny artikel om en søn der spiller poker!

www.nytimes.com/2009/06/28/magazine/28Poker-t.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&hpw

tl;dr.

Ej, den var godt nok lang, men læste den nu alligevel. Interessant perspektiv.

Ja, den er meget lang, men jeg synes også det er en interessant gang læsning. :)

Rørende læsning, synes jeg faktisk.

Glad for, jeg ikke opdagede internet-poker, før jeg var i 30'erne!

kan godt lide disse afsnit

That’s what life is, isn’t it? Using pros and cons to make the best decision you can?”

Well, no, I think. That isn’t life. Life is more than winning, more than manipulating others. I remember another opinion Dan has ventured — that young men find poker more exciting and successful than young women because women think, Do I have cards that can win? whereas men think, How can I get this person to think I have the best cards? Not knowing anything about my cards, I step onto land-mined turf. What about relationships? I ask Dan. What about people you care about, people you don’t want to beat?

He thinks a minute. Then he says: “Playing poker does help you focus more on what other people might need from you. You might not be right all the time, but that’s where your thought process goes. If you care about someone else’s goal, then you can help them.”

Recently Dan stopped by my house. He was on his way to a tournament at Turning Stone casino in New York. “But my cellphone’s not working,” he complained. He’s on my family plan, a last vestige of dependence, and would have been eligible for an upgrade, but he didn’t have time to stop by the store.

“Why don’t you just take my phone?” I said. “I’m not going on any trips. I don’t really need it.”

While I worked my SIM card out of my phone and slid his in, I asked casually if he was paying his own way into this tournament. “I’m in the first couple rounds on my own,” he said. “After that, I’m backed.”

“Sounds good,” I said. I focused on replacing the battery, snapping the back of the phone on. “How’s the money holding up?”

“I’ve still got some.”

I didn’t ask more. I waved him off from the driveway. I was glad to know that, whether he ran into trouble on the road or with the cards, he’d have a way to get in touch.

God læsning :)

@Live

“Sounds good,” I said. I focused on replacing the battery, snapping the back of the phone on. “How’s the money holding up?”

“I’ve still got some.”

I didn’t ask more. I waved him off from the driveway. I was glad to know that, whether he ran into trouble on the road or with the cards, he’d have a way to get in touch.

Hvad tror du han mener med det?

Mose, uden at kunne huske den helt præcise ordlyd i et af de foregående afsnit tror jeg de var kommet til en utalt forståelse om at de ikke gik i detaljer omkring poker og penge, så næppe noget man kan udlede noget fra.

Live, ja okay men udfra at han sige: 'I've still got some' synes jeg han får det til at lyde som om han har tabt en del, men stadig hænger i.

Fin læsning set fra en bekymret mors synspunkt

"My son is not being sucked into a zero-sum addictive game of luck that gives nothing back to society; he is benefiting from a challenging form of entertainment for which other rational adults are willing to pay."
Tildels uenig

"For many nights after Dan withdrew from school, I lay awake considering the life he was choosing — a life in which he is reduced from a toned athlete to a pale ectomorph, in which his social life is sporadic and mostly virtual, in which the possibility of a liberal education may be forever lost, in which steady romantic relationships (not to mention family) will be extremely difficult to maintain, in which he lives mostly apart from a society based on employment, wages and the rest of the social compact."
Ikk så svært at se, at det er skrevet af en mor.

"He thinks a minute. Then he says: “Playing poker does help you focus more on what other people might need from you. You might not be right all the time, but that’s where your thought process goes. If you care about someone else’s goal, then you can help them.”

As a parent accustomed to the narcissism of young men, this statement takes my breath away. I’m not yet ready to promote online poker as a straight path toward the compassionate life. Caring about someone else’s goal is not the same as caring about that person. Still, in my eagerness for positive signs, I manage to glimpse a thin, frail line linking strategy and empathy."
I like this part.

Lol Poker som et empatisk værktøj :-)

Det svarer til at påstå at sælgere går på NLP kursus for at "hjælpe" dig til de rette beslutninger :-)

"Sønnens" argumentation leder tankerne hen på PN brugere, der ville bruge deres pokererfaring i CV sammenhæng.

Det vigtigste i en bluff er nu engang at fortælle en sammenhængende og troværdig historie ;-)

@Ducktor

Loooool :D

god læsning, ikke mindst til måske at forstå sin egen mors tankeforløb :)

Sønnen virker nu også meget out of line, og forhåbentlig, er der ikke ret mange pokerspillere som ham. Her tænker jeg på at lyve for forældrene og naivt tro, at poker kan hjælpe på alt her i livet.

Men super spændende læsning - fra en tilsyneladende fornuftig mor.

Rigtig god læsning.

"As I managed to get into the driver’s seat and start the engine, Dan ripped the windshield-wiper arm from the back window; he banged on the roof, on the windshield. Finally he planted himself behind the car as I began to back out, shouting: “Go ahead! Kill your son!”

Genius :D

Jeg skal flytte i lejlighed snart, pga. min mor ikke kan acceptere jeg spiller poker.. Pretty much same point of view som artiklen, som min mor har.. Jeg bliver bare smidt ud hvis jeg spiller poker igen - og det gør jeg 100% med alle de FT's..

Sådan må det vel være, rimelig sørgeligt, imo..

tror alle der lever både godt og dårligt kan relatere til den artikel

Synes måske heller ikke sønnen spiller sine kort helt fair. Det er klart at moren får sådan en tankegang når hun ikke har nogen anelse om hvad han laver om natten og kun ser alle de dårlige ting.

Jeg har hvert fald aldrig holdt det hemmeligt for mine forældre har generelt været rimelig åben overfor det, dog aldrig nævnt særlig meget om hvilke stakes, win og losses jeg har haft da jeg ved med sikkerhed der ikke kommer noget godt ud af det. De stoler på hvad jeg laver, også er alt fint.

@Lolle

I må da kunne udarbejde et eller andet så det ikke kommer der til? Hvis du klare dig fint i skolen og ellers laver hvad du skal virker det jo mærkeligt bare at sende dig på porten for at spille noget poker.

Hvis du tjener nok penge til at kunne bo ude og gerne vil, ja så gør det måske ikke så meget. Men dumt at blive uvenner med din familie over poker synes jeg.

@ Michael

Tjo .. Jeg har spillet poker og jeg har altid haft overskud på det - det er ikke sådan at jeg sætter penge ind fra arbejde og taber alt i poker, men tværtimod.. Jeg er bare pissed over at hun siger sådan og ikke kan ændre sin mening og jeg giver næppe op.. Så jeg må flytte og passe mig selv.. Men mon ikke hun kommer til fornuft engang jeg er flyttet :)