Ny superuser skandale på vej???

Kort fortalt

En eller anden random 60/40 stor renser de andre chefer på UB over en meget lille sample. Herefter udbryder krisen med AP, og kontoen bliver samtidig lukket ned. Der gættes på han rensede for ca 600k over noget der ligner 10k hænder.

Nogle af cheferne der har spillet NioNio???

Ultimabet og AP er ejet af det samme moderfirma, det hele virker en smule suspekt.

Link fra 2p2

forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthread.php?t=99247

Poker er stadig rigged :-)

Sry hvis posted før...

Mere juice til sagen, love the drama :-)

WOwowowow, look at the post I found on pocketfives from November. Posted by Gank, a well respected tourney player....

The UB skinny: An insider talks (Edit: with sickening update)
by gank on 11/9/2007 23:32



Well, I guess I have become the reporter everyone trusts to talk about what goes on behind the scenes while protecting my source's identity, as I have been contacted by and had a long conversation with an employee at UB who wished to shed light on the company. Again, I will protect my source and not be releasing his/her name to anyone, ever.

I will list the all the important points from the conversation as best I can.

1. It is possible to have upto 25 usernames registered to 1 players name on UB, they know about this and are ok with it as a company.

2. If someone does have multiple accounts, even if they are registered to the same name and use the same IP address, they are permitted to play at the same table, cash games and sitNgos and tournies. UB knows about this, and are OK with it.

3. Although my source is not sure if hole cards could be seen during the hand by a superuser account, my source does know that as soon as a hand is over with, UB personell has access to see everyones holecards even those that didnt go to showdown. This has been used by some UB higher ups at times while they were playing. Not a direct form of cheating, but definitely an unfair advantage if the person has access to this while playing.

4. A higher level executive was fired not to long ago, because her 19 year old son, who she got a job at UB, was caught cheating games at the UB office. It is unclear to my source if holecards were able to be seen during the hand, but it is a possibility. He definitely was cheating customers somehow, maybe a cobination of the above things mentioned at the very least.

edit: Another close, reliable source has just talked to me and told me "the woman's son had"administrative access" which let him see hole cards." and that the source "wouldn't besurprised if administrative access still exists" The person went on to say "there's also evidence that at least a couple months agoAJ (Green) was overseeing day to day operations"

5. "Someone" was brought on board by UB to help clean up the site. He figured out the problem was that they were using a version of the software from 1998 that had security holes in it(i.e. no security firewalls were/could be put in place) that couldnt be fixed without a complete overhaul of the software, which was estimated at costing 6 million dollars. UB decided it was not in their best interests to upgrade the software.

6. My source also voiced their concern for my safety for vocalizing these points.

I bring this to light because I feel that this is the important stuff that our community needs to be aware of.

Shit!

Nu går Phil Hellmuth da helt ned med toget.

som zaphod2000

Please hold op med at spille AP og UB.

Holy fucking dramabomb.

forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showpost.php?p=2213529&postcount=258

"Breaking news: Phil Hellmuth just sent me this email...

"Okay before I call you.......I do have some information right now as I got off the phone with a "very high up". It does seem that there are several superuser accounts that UB has just mentioned to me. They were holding off on announcing it due to reasons I am unaware of, but apparently this is a new strand, like you suspected (and I doubted) of superusers, unlike with the AP scandal. I want to apologize, but keep in mind I was simply a "promotional" figure with them. This is an OFFSHORE company. Apparently it will be very hard to persecute, just as with the AP scandal, since the money has already been withdrawn according to "Kushal" since this did occur several months ago. They are saying that it is most likely they will be UNABLE to retrieve those funds as involved in the dispute. If you have any further questions, follow up in this email, but give it some thought. Thanks for your understanding as they will continue to work as best they can to see what can be done, however as under the agreement when downloading the software "it is an inherant risk" to play online as with any site. Again my apologies for this being pretty embarrassing personally, and also on behalf of UB, sorry for the bad news...."

So basically we were correct all along in our assumptions. People like Ike and Krantz shut down Gaucho and I and even tried to get our threads deleted. I was positive from the get go that Nionio was cheating and Im quite sure me and Jmxthieves have already uncovered 6 more accounts, maybe even more. More info will be released as it comes in"

Sick!

Uanset om man hidtil har været iskold begynder man sgu at tvivle på at dette er enlig svale...

Lidt ligesom at tænke på liv andre planeter... (læs: det er sent)

Jeg er så træt af det her. Det føles som vi allesammen har et fælles ansvar for at holde pokeren sund og attraktiv, men nogen pokersites bare har valgt at skide på det. Fuck om det bare er enkeltpersoner på coke og grådighed. At det overhovedet kan lade sig gøre er en skandale og burde i sig selv være nok til at lukke de involverede sider. I stedet slipper de afsted med at lyve og aktivt forsøge at skjule sandheden.

Desværre lever vi allesammen af de fleste pokerspilleres uvidenhed og verden vil fortsætte som intet er sket. Pokermedierne er bare underholdning og kunne ikke være mere ligeglade med det her. Fuck det hele mand.

PaulaL123

"At det overhovedet kan lade sig gøre er en skandale og burde i sig selv være nok til at lukke de involverede sider."

Jeg tror desværre dette kan lade sig gøre på alle sider, men du har ret, det er en skandale og ikke godt for onlinepokeren.

Naturligvis bør siderne tage ansvar, men det er selvstændige forretninger og naturligvis vurderer de de enkelte situationer udfra egen vindings og ikke hvad der er godt eller skidt for branchen (som vi så det i Absolute sagen).

Asger Dokkedal
www.dokkedalpoker.dk

Det går skidt for den italienske mafia i skraldebranchen. Det er da godt for dem, at de har spredt deres aktiviteter.

Fuckfuckfuck det her ser næsten ud til at være større end AP-skandalen.

Ny Hellmuth mail:

"okay.................I understand your concerns. But at the same time, it was written within the "agreement" if such a rare thing could happen that you as the player accept the "inherant risks". Obviously they didn't envision where poker would be once they created the software in 1999 (relating to security breaches/issues). You can post on 2p2.........also............yes that means that as of right now they are talking about NOT refunding those funds. There is obviously much more to be learned in terms of the scope of this. As Kushal mentioned, they are in the infancy of the investigation so the entire scope is not known. It may be that low stakes were possibly at risk...........to further cover up the potential for being caught. I can't say this for sure. But from what my source has said, it is a good possibility. We had a lengthy conversation via phone/email. I will submit your information to see what can be done but right now they are looking "collectively" as we talked about. Thanks for your patience."

Hvordan helvede kan de overveje ikke at udbetale erstatning til dem der er blevet snydt? Troede bare det var Hellmuth der tossede i den første mail. Det må være et meget stort beløb.

Paula -

Ja, sidder også med store øjne og læser på 2+2!!

Det er da (forhåbentlig) fuldstændig umuligt for dem at "bevare" deres integritet, når de ikke gider at kompensere de spillere, der er blevet snydt!? Så mange penge er det da heller ikke, i forhold til hvad de potentielt kan miste.


For det andet: Forstår ikke Helmuths rolle i det her. Først siger han: "I want to apologize, but keep in mind I was simply a "promotional" figure with them."

...men hvis han bare er en "promotional figure", hvorfor er det så ham, kommunikationen foregår gennem?

Det skal selvfølgelig ikke blive en person-hetz mod Phil H - jeg undrer mig bare over hvad han har gang i.



I øvrigt: Det er lidt en trøst, at det her er foregået på et site, hvor ejerne allerede 1 gang er blevet "dømt" (hvis man kalde det det.... LOL) for at snyde. Jeg mener, foreløbig er al snyd begrænset til AP/UB/AJ Green/osv.






Spændende at se, hvad det ender med :p

@Pumpstick,

Nu er det jo ikke den Italienske Mafia, der sidder på poker branchen - det er kraftigt domineret af Jøderne........

Nu skal det ikke tages, som om jeg har noget med jøder, det er bare en korrektion.

Det er så sygt, og det værste er at folk ikke engang stopper derinde, for hvis de gode spillere stopper vil der stadigt være andre spillere derinde, og så vil spillene være så juicy at nye spillere vil ind og have deres bid af kagen :(

Att.: Pumpstick

total grineren...STORT LOL !!!

Jeg er spændt på hvornår der kommer en sag med eks..... Titan :-)

Okay Hellmuth-mailsne var åbenbart fake. Ret klodset, men vel en god ting. Jeg skruer lidt ned for panik-emo-mode. Det virker stadig som der er over 50% chancen for snyd imo, men vi må se hvordan det udvikler sig.

Lad os nu lige se.. Sick hvis det passer tho

"Jeg er spændt på hvornår der kommer en sag med eks..... FULL TILT :-)"

FYP

@Pingeling

smarx ;) :D

@paula123
Hvor ser du at hellmuth mailsene er falske? Læste tråden igennem tidligere idag og der fanget jeg ikke noget om at de skulle være fake..

Hvor står der, de er falske?? Jeg kan sgu ikke se noget :S

Link!?

Det står i en af de andre tråde - check forsiden af high-stakes forum på 2+2

Og et link:
forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthread.php?t=103425

Taaaak :)

@ Paula123
"Det virker stadig som der er over 50% chancen for snyd imo"

Hvis du læser hele tråden når du vel frem til, at der er 99,99% for snyd?

Yeah 50% er meget konservativt. 60ptbb/100 ovre 8200 hænder...

Jeg ville ønske jeg kunne matematikken en 10ptbb vinder vinder 60 over 8200. Selv med en meget høj std dev. må det værre meget tæt på umuligt. Thyssen?

Så er der ikke engang taget højde for der ikke findes 10 ptbb vindere i de spil eller generelt vindere der spiller 60/40. Samt river aggro faktoren fulgte mønsteret fra ap-sagen.

At vinde 60ptbb/100 over 8200 hænder giver 4920 ptbb.

Hvis man er en 10ptbb/100 vinder, så ville man normalt vinde 820 ptbb og konfidensintervallet er defineret ved:

820 ptbb +/- x * SD * sqrt(8200/100)

hvor x er antal standardafvigelser vi ønsker at benytte (2 --> 95% konf interval; 3 --> 99% konf. interval; etc. )

Hvis vi tager en passende høj SD på 80 så er det

820 +/- x * 80 * sqrt(82)

820 +/- x * 724

Et resultat på 4920 ptbb ligger således 5.7 standardafvigelser væk hvilket gør resultatet ret usandsynligt. Det skal dog siges at dette er under forudsætning at resultatet af en NLHE hånd er normalfordelt, hvilket er en grov approximation som dog giver acceptable resultater.

Jørn

sick hvis det er sandt

tak thyssen.

Ducktor:

Hvad mener du med en sag om Titan? :)