Hello people,
I have an interesting situation. I have read here in many threads that PokerStars DK is tax free and I don't have to pay any taxes for, just make withdrawals and spend money wherever I want. And I haven't seen here not even person saying that you have to pay the taxes. As I understand, almost all people here are real Danes. But I called to skat and a woman told me that you have to pay taxes. So are there any real Danes, who really play in PokerStars. dk and know how the things are? So should I pay taxes and should I show it as an incomes? If some of you have a great experience with and if there is such possibility in this room, I can even pay for somebody symbolic price for sending me the explanation. Because I don't know what to do. I have winnings and I don't know do I have to pay taxes somewhere how much to pay etc?
Pokerstars SKAT
PokerStars is tax-free in Denmark.
If you are Danish and living in Denmark, PokerStars is tax-free.
I don’t know the rules for a foreigner.
CraekZ skrev:If you are Danish and living in Denmark, PokerStars is tax-free.
I don’t know the rules for a foreigner.
Hllo, yes I am not danish, but live here and since I have been living here I have been playing on DK platform. Of course I don't know it is interesting situation but that would be interesting to know what could be the differences talking about that I am not danish. But I am EU citizen. I want to say that I can not see how it could be taxed for a EU foreigner.
AdamKKK skrev:
Hllo, yes I am not danish, but live here and since I have been living here I have been playing on DK platform. Of course I don't know it is interesting situation but that would be interesting to know what could be the differences talking about that I am not danish. But I am EU citizen. I want to say that I can not see how it could be taxed for a EU foreigner.
Maybe the lady you have talked to, did not know anything about poker vs. taxes?
But then again, the only thing I’m sure about, is that it’s tax-free for danes.
CraekZ skrev:Maybe the lady you have talked to, did not know anything about poker vs. taxes?
But then again, the only thing I’m sure about, is that it’s tax-free for danes.
Thank you for you attention for me. So yes the least we can assume is that it is totally free for danish people. But as I have mentioned I asked PokerStars to play under eu platform and pay taxes in my country, that is not a problem for me, but they did not let that do for me, and converted my account to DK. And yes it would be interesting to hear some opinions somewhere who knows it about the foreigner, but logically, I don't think it is paid. Thanks!
Are you paying taxes in dk or in your home country? If you only pay in Denmark, it’s free. If you also are eligible for taxes in your home country I have no idea what the rules are.
djoffer skrev:Are you paying taxes in dk or in your home country? If you only pay in Denmark, it’s free. If you also are eligible for taxes in your home country I have no idea what the rules are.
Hi, I have my own little company and work with cvr and pay, yes, taxes for Denmark, not for anybody else. 🇩🇰😜 But yes this section of the question is the most interesting, because If I had the posibility to pay in my country, I would do that, but then I have to use PokerStars.eu, but it is just not allowed in this country pchisically. So if I can, please let me pay taxes in my country, but if not, then I play under danish platform I am eu citizen and that would be interesting under what law I could be taxed. Of course there might be the possibility that's why I am raising this question, and since I don't know danish language it is very hard to find some information. 😉
If you take up residence in Denmark you are fully tax liable to Denmark. This basically means that you are liable to pay or inform the authorities of all your income and properties - both in and outside of Denmark.
Whether the income you generate/receive is taxable is based on the national tax rules. The same national tax rules that apply to people with Danish citizenships applies to you equally. There is no basis in Danish tax law to tax income from PokerStars DK or other registered pokersites. This is because a tax (20%) is put on the provider/company instead of the consumer/player.
It doesn't matter whether you are on any special tax schemes for foreigners or if you also have a residence in another country. The other country might see your winnings from PokerStars as taxable according to their national tax rules.
chrrrist skrev:If you take up residence in Denmark you are fully tax liable to Denmark. This basically means that you are liable to pay or inform the authorities of all your income and properties - both in and outside of Denmark.
Whether the income you generate/receive is taxable is based on the national tax rules. The same national tax rules that apply to people with Danish citizenships applies to you equally. There is no basis in Danish tax law to tax income from PokerStars DK or other registered pokersites. This is because a tax (20%) is put on the provider/company instead of the consumer/player.
It doesn't matter whether you are on any special tax schemes for foreigners or if you also have a residence in another country. The other country might see your winnings from PokerStars as taxable according to their national tax rules.
Thank you for your kind information. But if you have to pay taxes, then how many percent you have to pay from winnings? And can you deduct all your losses/deposits?
AdamKKK skrev:
Thank you for your kind information. But if you have to pay taxes, then how many percent you have to pay from winnings? And can you deduct all your losses/deposits?
If it was taxable, I would guess that the winnings would be taxed as personal income, so the net profit would be taxed as regular salary. The actual percentage of taxation would be based on your personal tax situation (your deductions, yearly remuneration and so on).
But that's really just a guess.
Jeg er generelt tilhænger af PNVA som leverer gang på gang, men lige på dette område er jeg uenig. Dette emne har været oppe før, og når det kommer til beskatning synes jeg det er dybt problematisk, at der leveres disse ukritiske svar. Såfremt man ernærer sig ved poker kan man godt blive skattepligtig som dansk statsborger, bosiddende i Danmark, ved at spille hos PokerStars. Såfremt det kun er hobbyspil, så er situationen en anden. Vi ved reelt set ikke hvad OP har fortalt damen fra SKAT, og om der kan være nuancer der medfører skattepligt.
You can also call Skat again and talk with another employee
And if you call 10 employees, you will probaly have 10 different answers - when it comes to poker most of them are neither well informed or up-to-date with the rules.
Thanks guys for discussion, it is interesting and a bit strange how can it be treated so differently for different people talking about the tax. For example: are there any people in this forum who invests and play a lot poker? So if there are such people and maybe some discussion's participants are also poker players so you have to know whether you pay the taxes or not. 😉 Of course if there are only people who just sometimes play for fun then it's obvious, but I see a lot the same danish players everyday winning big numbers of sums of money, so there should be some kind of information. Because if there is a law that 20 percent pay the PokerStars for Denmark, so how they can take more if it is tax free. It is like a buy lotto scratching tickets and win a lot and then somebody will decide that I have to pay taxes like its my work. So if it can be treated like your work then you have to have the ability and possibility to get some kind of cvr and pay taxes otherwise it looks like robbery in the middle of the white day. Okay even if it danish person's main I comes playing under dk client in Denmark. So how he can be taxed like simple income when he doesn't have neither cvr nor anything.
Stamford skrev:Jeg er generelt tilhænger af PNVA som leverer gang på gang, men lige på dette område er jeg uenig. Dette emne har været oppe før, og når det kommer til beskatning synes jeg det er dybt problematisk, at der leveres disse ukritiske svar. Såfremt man ernærer sig ved poker kan man godt blive skattepligtig som dansk statsborger, bosiddende i Danmark, ved at spille hos PokerStars. Såfremt det kun er hobbyspil, så er situationen en anden. Vi ved reelt set ikke hvad OP har fortalt damen fra SKAT, og om der kan være nuancer der medfører skattepligt.
Hvor har du den info fra? :)
rune0714 skrev:
Hvor har du den info fra? :)
Sådan har skatteloven altid været, men det kan godt være at jeg tager fejl alligevel. Der kom ny lovgivning i 2012, og SKAT er i den forbindelse også kommet med en vejledning. Jeg synes dog ikke at det fremgår klart, om der også er skattefritagelse, hvis man eksempelvis lever af gambling eller poker. Indtil der er kommet ny praksis, må jeg hellere lukke i :)
Stamford skrev:Jeg er generelt tilhænger af PNVA som leverer gang på gang, men lige på dette område er jeg uenig. Dette emne har været oppe før, og når det kommer til beskatning synes jeg det er dybt problematisk, at der leveres disse ukritiske svar. Såfremt man ernærer sig ved poker kan man godt blive skattepligtig som dansk statsborger, bosiddende i Danmark, ved at spille hos PokerStars. Såfremt det kun er hobbyspil, så er situationen en anden. Vi ved reelt set ikke hvad OP har fortalt damen fra SKAT, og om der kan være nuancer der medfører skattepligt.
For at undgå tvivl og misforståelser i forhold til din formulering, så anvendes begrebet skattepligt til at angive hjemlen til beskatning.
Hvis du bosætter dig i Danmark, så er du som person fuld skattepligtig (se kildeskattelovens § 1).
Hvis du ikke bor i Danmark, så er det indtægter og lignende som hidrører fra Danmark, der kan beskattes - dvs. ikke dig som person (se kildeskattelovens § 2, stk. 1, nr. 1-29 for den udtømmende liste).
At du er skattepligtig til Danmark - og hvilken type af skattepligt - siger blot noget om hjemlen til at beskatte.
Det tyder på, jf. Den Juridiske Vejledning afsnit C.C.2.1.2.1, at gældende praksis fortsat er, at gevinster fra onlinepoker ikke medregnes i opgørelsen af den skattepligtige indkomst. Naturligvis betinget af at spillet er pålagt afgift (dansk licens).
Så uanset om du er bosiddende og fuld skattepligtig efter KSL § 1 og du er globalbeskattet efter SL § 4, så medregnes beløbet erhvervet fra PokerStars ikke ved opgørelsen af din skattepligtige indkomst.
Om der er kommet afgørelser eller domme på området som går mod praksis, skal jeg ikke gøre mig klog på.