stars warning, its rigged

#1| 0

lavede et cashout her i sidste uge, og var overrasket over mine hænder faktisk blev ved med at holde pænt, dvs indtil igår.

idag har jeg tabt alle overpar mod underpar spots (6 i alt ai pre) stortset alle 70-30 og alle flips undtagen et enkelt.

har obv allerede sendt en mail til stars om at jeg har luret deres nye fremgangsmåde, med at vente en uge på at straffe folk for cashouts, smart, men obv ikke smart nok.

ohh bruger btw denne tråd til at poste svar fra stars og hænder for staker i Daily eighty grand

13-06-2009 21:40 #2| 0

lol

13-06-2009 21:42 #3| 0

Jeg har spillet 12 sng´s idag, og tabt første flip i dem alle, så der er noget om snakken!

De tror obv de er smarte ja, men nu river du dem rundt i DEG og vinder 30 flips, og så er den hjemme :)

13-06-2009 21:44 #4| 0

hvad med denne her :(
PokerStars Spil #29326669108: Turnering#168173106, 20FPP Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (150/300) - 13/06/2009 20:43:14 CET [13/06/2009 14:43:14 ET]
Bord '168173106 213' 9-max Knappen er på plads #8
Plads 1: Mark_phx (9330 i chips)
Plads 2: pokergirl164 (15575 i chips)
Plads 3: dalkico (4745 i chips)
Plads 4: psrosebud (4095 i chips)
Plads 5: anemariejohn (5130 i chips)
Plads 6: TIDE- 02 (1840 i chips)
Plads 7: ome joep (555 i chips) sidder ude
Plads 8: mjhp1 (2155 i chips)
Plads 9: estella02 (8190 i chips)
Mark_phx: poster ante 25
pokergirl164: poster ante 25
dalkico: poster ante 25
psrosebud: poster ante 25
anemariejohn: poster ante 25
TIDE- 02: poster ante 25
ome joep: poster ante 25
mjhp1: poster ante 25
estella02: poster ante 25
estella02: poster small blind 150
Mark_phx: poster big blind 300
*** KORT ***
Givet til mjhp1 [Qd Qc]
pokergirl164: raiser 300 til 600
dalkico: folder
psrosebud: folder
anemariejohn: folder
TIDE- 02: folder
ome joep: folder
mjhp1: raiser 1530 til 2130 og er all-in
estella02: folder
Mark_phx: folder
pokergirl164: kalder 1530
*** FLOP *** [Th 5d 6s]
*** TURN *** [Th 5d 6s] [3c]
*** RIVER *** [Th 5d 6s 3c] [Js]
*** SHOWDOWN ***
pokergirl164: viser [Jh 3h] (to par, bønder og treere)
mjhp1: viser [Qd Qc] (et par, damer)
pokergirl164 vandt 4935 fra potten
*** RESUMÈ ***
Pot i alt: 4935 | Rake 0
Bord [Th 5d 6s 3c Js]
Plads 1: Mark_phx (big blind) foldede før flop
Plads 2: pokergirl164 viste [Jh 3h] og vandt (4935) med to par, bønder og treere
Plads 3: dalkico foldede før flop (bettede ikke)
Plads 4: psrosebud foldede før flop (bettede ikke)
Plads 5: anemariejohn foldede før flop (bettede ikke)
Plads 6: TIDE- 02 foldede før flop (bettede ikke)
Plads 7: ome joep foldede før flop (bettede ikke)
Plads 8: mjhp1 (knap) viste [Qd Qc] og tabte med et par, damer
Plads 9: estella02 (small blind) foldede før flop

13-06-2009 21:47 #6| 0

Jeg havde også lige en igår.. tabte først til den ene på turn.. ok.. stadig en ok side pot... MEN nej.. river gik selvfølgelig til hans fordel..

PokerStars Spil #29299612579: Turnering#169968717, $2.50+$0.25 Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (150/300) - 13/06/2009 0:57:17 CET [12/06/2009 18:57:17 ET]
Bord '169968717 258' 9-max Knappen er på plads #1
Plads 1: kjohnson29 (23309 i chips)
Plads 2: Gumple (11029 i chips)
Plads 3: unimatrix010 (5309 i chips)
Plads 4: Channiël (8622 i chips)
Plads 5: BottleOfWine (5207 i chips)
Plads 6: tanasi_sf (16181 i chips)
Plads 7: magicmeni (13545 i chips)
Plads 8: Darmac45 (6725 i chips)
Plads 9: ed48 (6136 i chips)
kjohnson29: poster ante 25
Gumple: poster ante 25
unimatrix010: poster ante 25
Channiël: poster ante 25
BottleOfWine: poster ante 25
tanasi_sf: poster ante 25
magicmeni: poster ante 25
Darmac45: poster ante 25
ed48: poster ante 25
Gumple: poster small blind 150
unimatrix010: poster big blind 300
*** KORT ***
Givet til Gumple [Ah 5h]
Channiël: folder
BottleOfWine: folder
tanasi_sf: folder
magicmeni: folder
Darmac45: folder
ed48: folder
kjohnson29: raiser 600 til 900
Gumple: kalder 750
unimatrix010: kalder 600
*** FLOP *** [8c 5s Ac]
Gumple: checker
unimatrix010: better 4384 og er all-in
kjohnson29: kalder 4384
Gumple: raiser 5720 til 10104 og er all-in
kjohnson29: kalder 5720
*** TURN *** [8c 5s Ac] [Qc]
*** RIVER *** [8c 5s Ac Qc] [Jd]
*** SHOWDOWN ***
Gumple: viser [Ah 5h] (to par, esser og femmere)
kjohnson29: viser [As Js] (to par, esser og bønder)
kjohnson29 vandt 11440 fra side- potten
unimatrix010: viser [Jc Kc] (en flush, es høj)
unimatrix010 vandt 16077 fra hoved- potten
*** RESUMÈ ***
Pot i alt: 27517 hoved- pot 16077. side- pot 11440. | Rake 0
Bord [8c 5s Ac Qc Jd]
Plads 1: kjohnson29 (knap) viste [As Js] og vandt (11440) med to par, esser og bønder
Plads 2: Gumple (small blind) viste [Ah 5h] og tabte med to par, esser og femmere
Plads 3: unimatrix010 (big blind) viste [Jc Kc] og vandt (16077) med en flush, es høj
Plads 4: Channiël foldede før flop (bettede ikke)
Plads 5: BottleOfWine foldede før flop (bettede ikke)
Plads 6: tanasi_sf foldede før flop (bettede ikke)
Plads 7: magicmeni foldede før flop (bettede ikke)
Plads 8: Darmac45 foldede før flop (bettede ikke)
Plads 9: ed48 foldede før flop (bettede ikke)

13-06-2009 21:47 #5| 0

GL Live - Riv dem rundt

13-06-2009 21:48 #7| 0

blev lidt kort


"I understand that you dont like people cashing out, but please remove that ugly doomswitch and replace it with the boomswitch, it was really nice of you to wait until your last software update, but enough is enough I have truly paid the price, so please stop.

Best Regards Dennis"

13-06-2009 21:50 #8| 0

loool live

13-06-2009 21:52 #9| 0

Hvis det virker så vil jeg sku også sende dem en besked:)

GL i DEG.

13-06-2009 21:53 #10| 0

Live

Jeg endte ai med 66 vs 69 på dette flop: 456... Turn: 8... River 7 :(

13-06-2009 22:36 #11| 0

Live den ligner lidt den jeg skrev til dem den anden dag lol... fik et mega langt svar...

Hi PokerStars support... i just wanna ask a question... can you please turn of the god damndoomswitch on me... ad give me some good cards and no badbeats at my bday on next friday june 19th...

Best Regards
Kasper Kristensen

svaret fylder ca 3 a4 sider lol

13-06-2009 22:38 #12| 0

vidste obv godt at det es på turn var skidt, men jeg kan aldrig check folde imod hans stack, og har trodsalt stadig outs til set og flush

når de vil spille som donks skal de selvfølgelig belønnes

PokerStars Game #29328570628: Tournament #169968620, $50+$5 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2009/06/13 21:36:06 CET [2009/06/13 15:36:06 ET]
Table '169968620 63' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: The Ets (3105 in chips)
Seat 2: Live21 (3490 in chips)
Seat 3: FABIO505 (1530 in chips)
Seat 4: jmb333 (2905 in chips)
Seat 5: Sloncic3 (2970 in chips)
Seat 6: Volody512345 (2655 in chips)
Seat 7: drbk2 (4995 in chips)
Seat 8: TheBeeramid (5800 in chips)
Seat 9: _Bahman A_ (2530 in chips)
Sloncic3: posts small blind 25
Volody512345: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Live21 [Js Jc]
drbk2: folds
TheBeeramid: folds
_Bahman A_: folds
The Ets: calls 50
Live21: raises 150 to 200
FABIO505: calls 200
jmb333: folds
Sloncic3: folds
Volody512345: folds
The Ets: calls 150
*** FLOP *** [4d 8h 3h]
The Ets: checks
Live21: bets 500
FABIO505: calls 500
The Ets: folds
*** TURN *** [4d 8h 3h] [Ah]
Live21: bets 850
FABIO505: calls 830 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (20) returned to Live21
*** RIVER *** [4d 8h 3h Ah] [2s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Live21: shows [Js Jc] (a pair of Jacks)
FABIO505: shows [8s Ad] (two pair, Aces and Eights)
FABIO505 collected 3335 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3335 | Rake 0
Board [4d 8h 3h Ah 2s]
Seat 1: The Ets folded on the Flop
Seat 2: Live21 showed [Js Jc] and lost with a pair of Jacks
Seat 3: FABIO505 showed [8s Ad] and won (3335) with two pair, Aces and Eights
Seat 4: jmb333 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Sloncic3 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: Volody512345 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: drbk2 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: TheBeeramid folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: _Bahman A_ folded before Flop (didn't bet)

13-06-2009 22:48 #13| 0

lol ham der sugede mine JJ i ovenstående, har suget JJ med A-5 og 55 på under 20 hænder bagefter, det er satme random :O)

13-06-2009 22:49 #14| 0

og ude, komme ind 100% død, men er jo desværre nødt til at gå efter de odds.

PokerStars Game #29328976985: Tournament #169968620, $50+$5 Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2009/06/13 21:47:52 CET [2009/06/13 15:47:52 ET]
Table '169968620 145' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: charlaa (10095 in chips)
Seat 2: Casti (2650 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 3: RUNNER JIM (6195 in chips)
Seat 4: 777L J777 (3285 in chips)
Seat 5: Live21 (1660 in chips)
Seat 6: touphou (6715 in chips)
Seat 7: grayzee1 (6055 in chips)
Seat 8: KingKoopa2 (2400 in chips)
Seat 9: Eham5 (835 in chips)
Eham5: posts small blind 50
charlaa: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Live21 [3s 3c]
Casti: folds
RUNNER JIM: folds
777L J777: folds
Live21: raises 200 to 300
touphou: calls 300
grayzee1: folds
KingKoopa2: folds
Eham5: folds
charlaa: raises 9795 to 10095 and is all-in
Live21: calls 1360 and is all-in
touphou: folds
Uncalled bet (8435) returned to charlaa
*** FLOP *** [Qd 9d Kd]
*** TURN *** [Qd 9d Kd] [4c]
*** RIVER *** [Qd 9d Kd 4c] [Kh]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
charlaa: shows [Kc As] (three of a kind, Kings)
Live21: shows [3s 3c] (two pair, Kings and Threes)
charlaa collected 3670 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3670 | Rake 0
Board [Qd 9d Kd 4c Kh]
Seat 1: charlaa (big blind) showed [Kc As] and won (3670) with three of a kind, Kings
Seat 2: Casti folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: RUNNER JIM folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: 777L J777 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Live21 showed [3s 3c] and lost with two pair, Kings and Threes
Seat 6: touphou folded before Flop
Seat 7: grayzee1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: KingKoopa2 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Eham5 (small blind) folded before Flop

14-06-2009 01:12 #15| 0

tak stars ude som 232 i deg

PokerStars Spil #29333589402: Turnering#169968620, $50+$5 Hold'em No Limit - Level XII (500/1000) - 13/06/2009 18:03:27 ET
Bord '169968620 95' 9-max Knappen er på plads #7
Plads 1: riverjack-AA (18559 i chips)
Plads 2: truwe (4536 i chips)
Plads 3: hillydog (4010 i chips)
Plads 4: numillnere (10488 i chips)
Plads 5: Tilt ? Tight (22953 i chips)
Plads 6: Selem (25558 i chips)
Plads 7: kpkcwinw (17047 i chips)
Plads 8: Silent Ocean (16196 i chips)
Plads 9: Ggod (8544 i chips)
riverjack-AA: poster ante 100
truwe: poster ante 100
hillydog: poster ante 100
numillnere: poster ante 100
Tilt ? Tight: poster ante 100
Selem: poster ante 100
kpkcwinw: poster ante 100
Silent Ocean: poster ante 100
Ggod: poster ante 100
Silent Ocean: poster small blind 500
Ggod: poster big blind 1000
*** KORT ***
Givet til truwe [Js Kc]
riverjack-AA: folder
truwe: raiser 3436 til 4436 og er all-in
hillydog: folder
numillnere: folder
Tilt ? Tight: folder
Selem: folder
kpkcwinw: folder
Silent Ocean: folder
Ggod: kalder 3436
*** FLOP *** [8h 5d Th]
*** TURN *** [8h 5d Th] [2d]
*** RIVER *** [8h 5d Th 2d] [6s]
*** SHOWDOWN ***
Ggod: viser [Ts 4c] (et par, tiere)
truwe: viser [Js Kc] (konge høj)
Ggod vandt 10272 fra potten
*** RESUMÈ ***
Pot i alt: 10272 | Rake 0
Bord [8h 5d Th 2d 6s]
Plads 1: riverjack-AA foldede før flop (bettede ikke)
Plads 2: truwe viste [Js Kc] og tabte med konge høj
Plads 3: hillydog foldede før flop (bettede ikke)
Plads 4: numillnere foldede før flop (bettede ikke)
Plads 5: Tilt ? Tight foldede før flop (bettede ikke)
Plads 6: Selem foldede før flop (bettede ikke)
Plads 7: kpkcwinw (knap) foldede før flop (bettede ikke)
Plads 8: Silent Ocean (small blind) foldede før flop
Plads 9: Ggod (big blind) viste [Ts 4c] og vandt (10272) med et par, tiere

14-06-2009 04:10 #16| 0

lol

PokerStars Game #29339207164: Tournament #171601992, $4.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Match Round I, Level I (10/20) - 2009/06/14 3:08:55 CET [2009/06/13 21:08:55 ET]
Table '171601992 21' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: Live21 (1500 in chips)
Seat 3: pokrhigh (2000 in chips)
Seat 4: Slackinone (3440 in chips)
Seat 5: goggin666 (1400 in chips)
Seat 6: actarusg13 (660 in chips)
goggin666: posts small blind 10
actarusg13: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Live21 [Ac 4h]
Live21: raises 40 to 60
pokrhigh: folds
Slackinone: folds
goggin666: calls 50
actarusg13: calls 40
*** FLOP *** [5s 4s 5c]
goggin666: checks
actarusg13: bets 600 and is all-in
Live21: calls 600
goggin666: folds
*** TURN *** [5s 4s 5c] [3s]
*** RIVER *** [5s 4s 5c 3s] [6h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
actarusg13: shows [2c Kh] (a straight, Deuce to Six)
Live21: shows [Ac 4h] (two pair, Fives and Fours)
actarusg13 collected 1380 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1380 | Rake 0
Board [5s 4s 5c 3s 6h]
Seat 1: Live21 showed [Ac 4h] and lost with two pair, Fives and Fours
Seat 3: pokrhigh folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Slackinone (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: goggin666 (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 6: actarusg13 (big blind) showed [2c Kh] and won (1380) with a straight, Deuce to Six

14-06-2009 05:19 #17| 0

sick, igen igen

PokerStars Game #29340955413: Tournament #169962420, $3.00+$0.30 Hold'em No Limit - Match Round I, Level I (10/20) - 2009/06/14 4:17:54 CET [2009/06/13 22:17:54 ET]
Table '169962420 61' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: eagleempire (1515 in chips)
Seat 2: riversmart (1490 in chips)
Seat 3: Burnsey B (1470 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 4: abc81 (1475 in chips)
Seat 5: jash472 (1610 in chips)
Seat 6: Live21 (1500 in chips)
Seat 7: sammyallin2 (1500 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 8: jdr50 (1440 in chips)
Seat 9: BigVee14 (1500 in chips)
abc81: posts small blind 10
jash472: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Live21 [Ts Td]
Live21: raises 80 to 100
sammyallin2: folds
jdr50: folds
BigVee14: folds
eagleempire: folds
riversmart: calls 100
Burnsey B: folds
abc81: folds
jash472: calls 80
*** FLOP *** [5c 9h 7h]
jash472: checks
Live21: bets 400
riversmart: calls 400
jash472: calls 400
*** TURN *** [5c 9h 7h] [2c]
jash472: checks
Live21: bets 1000 and is all-in
riversmart: calls 990 and is all-in
jash472: folds
Uncalled bet (10) returned to Live21
*** RIVER *** [5c 9h 7h 2c] [8h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Live21: shows [Ts Td] (a pair of Tens)
riversmart: shows [Th Ah] (a flush, Ace high)
riversmart collected 3490 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3490 | Rake 0
Board [5c 9h 7h 2c 8h]
Seat 1: eagleempire folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: riversmart showed [Th Ah] and won (3490) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 3: Burnsey B (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: abc81 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: jash472 (big blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 6: Live21 showed [Ts Td] and lost with a pair of Tens
Seat 7: sammyallin2 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: jdr50 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: BigVee14 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

14-06-2009 05:48 #18| 0

glæder mig til at høre hvad de har at sige til mit svar :O)


thank you, it was very nice of your to remove it, i look forward to a profitable sunday

Best regards Dennis




-----Oprindelig mail-----
Fra: PokerStars Support
Dato: 14. juni 2009 00:51:18
Til: xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Emne: PokerStars Support - Site Integrity

Hello Dennis,

Thank you for taking the time to contact PokerStars with your concerns.

The "cashout curse" is one of the oldest legends of online poker,
specifically players believing that you are "punished" for cashouts, and
tend to do worse after cashing out.

The myth of the cashout curse was discussed in Card Player magazine. You can
read the article at:

www.cardplayer.com/magazine/article/13994

Simply put, sheer math indicates that any time you lower your bankroll in a
game that has variance, you increase your chances of going broke. Factor in
the natural impulse to get worried when you run a bit short on playing
bankroll, and it all adds up to a situation where when you leave yourself
underfunded for your games, you may see your results get worse.

Also, you should know that we introduce new software versions relatively
frequently. The reason is because we add new features to improve our site as
well as correct any bugs (most that you would not notice) that need to be
fixed. Client updates result in small updates in the client program, such as
menu appearance, or new cashier options. These updates having nothing to do
with the core server components such as the random number generator.

Poker is a game of high variance, in which every player will encounter
periodical swings of good and bad luck. It is inevitable that for some
players these swings will occur at the same time as other events, such as a
client update, a chat revocation or a cashout. It is natural for players to
believe there is a link between such events, but the truth is that they are
totally unrelated.

Our shuffle is completely random, favoring or disfavoring no player over any
other. The computerized methods we use to shuffle the deck are more than
sufficient to ensure complete randomization of the cards, and complete
unpredictability of the cards to come. You can see the description of these
methods at:

www.pokerstars.com/security.html

In addition, we track all hands dealt daily to see if there is any
statistically significant variance.

In fact, we gave the source code to two independent auditors who reviewed
our shuffle algorithm and found it sound and random. You may read the
analyses of these auditors at:

www.pokerstars.com/rng_audit.html

We have dealt over 29,000,000,000 hands, and have freely given out real
money hand histories any time somebody has requested them. Not once has
anybody found any indication that our shuffle is not 100% random, and many
who have undertaken such studies have posted their findings to the Internet.
You may find just two of them here:

tinyurl.com/32ajma
tinyurl.com/2wu99w

The fact is, PokerStars has no control over who wins and loses in our games,
and we cannot determine how your hole cards, the flop, turn and
river are going to be dealt. We just deal the cards and the rest is up to
the players at the table.

I hope this restores your confidence to some degree. If you have any further
questions regarding anything I have discussed above, please let us know.

Regards,

Julio
PokerStars Support Team


----- Original Message -----
From: xxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: 2009/06/13 14:48:19
To: [email protected]
Subject: cashout Doomed

>
>I understand that you dont like people cashing out, but please remove that
ugly doomswitch and replace it with the boomswitch, it was really nice of
you to wait until your last software update, but enough is enough I have
truly paid the price, so please stop.
>

14-06-2009 14:44 #19| 0

3.30 rebuy

PokerStars Game #29350638451: Tournament #169978059, $3.03+$0.30 Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2009/06/14 13:40:52 CET [2009/06/14 7:40:52 ET]
Table '169978059 17' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: CoolADD (4410 in chips)
Seat 2: magiccatch1 (3580 in chips)
Seat 3: Sibaya (3930 in chips)
Seat 4: SUPERGAINERS (1950 in chips)
Seat 5: deniz29 (3715 in chips)
Seat 6: Live21 (6810 in chips)
Seat 7: Jazzy712Jeff (4375 in chips)
Seat 8: Sandman_nl (4330 in chips)
Seat 9: cypis28 (2900 in chips)
deniz29: posts small blind 50
Live21: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Live21 [9h 6c]
Jazzy712Jeff: folds
Sandman_nl: calls 100
cypis28: folds
CoolADD: calls 100
magiccatch1: folds
Sibaya: calls 100
SUPERGAINERS: calls 100
deniz29: calls 50
Live21: checks
*** FLOP *** [3c 5h 7d]
deniz29: checks
Live21: checks
Sandman_nl: bets 300
CoolADD: folds
Sibaya: folds
SUPERGAINERS: calls 300
deniz29: folds
Live21: calls 300
*** TURN *** [3c 5h 7d] [4c]
Live21: checks
Sandman_nl: checks
SUPERGAINERS: bets 1550 and is all-in
Live21: raises 1550 to 3100
Sandman_nl: folds
Uncalled bet (1550) returned to Live21
*** RIVER *** [3c 5h 7d 4c] [6h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Live21: shows [9h 6c] (a straight, Three to Seven)
SUPERGAINERS: shows [Tc 8c] (a straight, Four to Eight)
SUPERGAINERS collected 4600 from pot
Live21 said, "lol"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4600 | Rake 0
Board [3c 5h 7d 4c 6h]
Seat 1: CoolADD folded on the Flop
Seat 2: magiccatch1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Sibaya folded on the Flop
Seat 4: SUPERGAINERS (button) showed [Tc 8c] and won (4600) with a straight, Four to Eight
Seat 5: deniz29 (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 6: Live21 (big blind) showed [9h 6c] and lost with a straight, Three to Seven
Seat 7: Jazzy712Jeff folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Sandman_nl folded on the Turn
Seat 9: cypis28 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

14-06-2009 15:08 #20| 0

Sry stjæler lige igen.. MEN FFFSSSSSSSs se lige SÅDAN en donk.. og FLOT river stars.. amen FFS.. det er uvirkeligt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PokerStars Spil #29351134590: Turnering#171683236, $4.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (125/250) - 14/06/2009 14:05:16 CET [14/06/2009 8:05:16 ET]
Bord '171683236 9' 9-max Knappen er på plads #1
Plads 1: gogoaek (18925 i chips)
Plads 2: Theraphy (4818 i chips)
Plads 3: Gumple (17263 i chips)
Plads 5: PrimziB (16905 i chips)
Plads 8: ducon28 (6063 i chips)
Plads 9: trocadero123 (41408 i chips)
gogoaek: poster ante 25
Theraphy: poster ante 25
Gumple: poster ante 25
PrimziB: poster ante 25
ducon28: poster ante 25
trocadero123: poster ante 25
Theraphy: poster small blind 125
Gumple: poster big blind 250
*** KORT ***
Givet til Gumple [Kc Ks]
maestroTUZ er online
PrimziB: folder
ducon28: folder
trocadero123: kalder 250
gogoaek: folder
Theraphy: kalder 125
Gumple: raiser 1000 til 1250
trocadero123: kalder 1000
Theraphy: folder
*** FLOP *** [Qc 2d 4c]
Gumple: better 2500
trocadero123: kalder 2500
*** TURN *** [Qc 2d 4c] [6h]
Gumple: better 13488 og er all-in
trocadero123: kalder 13488
*** RIVER *** [Qc 2d 4c 6h] [3h]
*** SHOWDOWN ***
Gumple: viser [Kc Ks] (et par, konger)
trocadero123: viser [6s 3s] (to par, seksere og treere)
trocadero123 vandt 34876 fra potten
*** RESUMÈ ***
Pot i alt: 34876 | Rake 0
Bord [Qc 2d 4c 6h 3h]
Plads 1: gogoaek (knap) foldede før flop (bettede ikke)
Plads 2: Theraphy (small blind) foldede før flop
Plads 3: Gumple (big blind) viste [Kc Ks] og tabte med et par, konger
Plads 5: PrimziB foldede før flop (bettede ikke)
Plads 8: ducon28 foldede før flop (bettede ikke)
Plads 9: trocadero123 viste [6s 3s] og vandt (34876) med to par, seksere og treere

14-06-2009 15:33 #21| 0

det her er en officiel tude tråd så bare post

men man kan satme ikke vinde når man taber dem her 100% af tiden igen 3.33 rebuy til warm up

PokerStars Game #29351705024: Tournament #169978059, $3.03+$0.30 Hold'em No Limit - Level XIII (800/1600) - 2009/06/14 14:30:30 CET [2009/06/14 8:30:30 ET]
Table '169978059 17' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: CoolADD (11200 in chips)
Seat 2: alkiedalkie (14810 in chips)
Seat 3: bandras02 (55810 in chips)
Seat 4: writter78 (35470 in chips)
Seat 6: Live21 (13625 in chips)
Seat 7: Fake them (8850 in chips)
Seat 8: wersx (14020 in chips)
Seat 9: cypis28 (34385 in chips)
CoolADD: posts the ante 150
alkiedalkie: posts the ante 150
bandras02: posts the ante 150
writter78: posts the ante 150
Live21: posts the ante 150
Fake them: posts the ante 150
wersx: posts the ante 150
cypis28: posts the ante 150
Live21: posts small blind 800
Fake them: posts big blind 1600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Live21 [4d Ac]
wersx: folds
cypis28: folds
CoolADD: folds
alkiedalkie: folds
bandras02: folds
writter78: folds
Live21: raises 4800 to 6400
Fake them: raises 2300 to 8700 and is all-in
Live21: calls 2300
*** FLOP *** [2s 5s 9s]
*** TURN *** [2s 5s 9s] [6s]
*** RIVER *** [2s 5s 9s 6s] [Jh]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Live21: shows [4d Ac] (high card Ace)
Fake them: shows [9h Jd] (two pair, Jacks and Nines)
Fake them collected 18600 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 18600 | Rake 0
Board [2s 5s 9s 6s Jh]
Seat 1: CoolADD folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: alkiedalkie folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: bandras02 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: writter78 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Live21 (small blind) showed [4d Ac] and lost with high card Ace
Seat 7: Fake them (big blind) showed [9h Jd] and won (18600) with two pair, Jacks and Nines
Seat 8: wersx folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: cypis28 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

14-06-2009 15:34 #22| 0

og så den her, seriøst stars er alt alt for sygt klam, det er 99/100 af dem der er blevet tabt hele dagen i går og i nat og fortsætter ufortrødent.

PokerStars Game #29351750582: Tournament #169978059, $3.03+$0.30 Hold'em No Limit - Level XIII (800/1600) - 2009/06/14 14:32:25 CET [2009/06/14 8:32:25 ET]
Table '169978059 17' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: CoolADD (13400 in chips)
Seat 2: alkiedalkie (12760 in chips)
Seat 3: bandras02 (88730 in chips)
Seat 4: writter78 (35020 in chips)
Seat 5: atata21 (58485 in chips)
Seat 6: Live21 (4475 in chips)
Seat 7: GrandMP81 (20225 in chips)
Seat 9: cypis28 (33935 in chips)
CoolADD: posts the ante 150
alkiedalkie: posts the ante 150
bandras02: posts the ante 150
writter78: posts the ante 150
atata21: posts the ante 150
Live21: posts the ante 150
GrandMP81: posts the ante 150
cypis28: posts the ante 150
alkiedalkie: posts small blind 800
bandras02: posts big blind 1600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Live21 [9h Kc]
writter78: folds
atata21: folds
Live21: raises 2725 to 4325 and is all-in
GrandMP81: folds
cypis28: folds
CoolADD: folds
alkiedalkie: folds
bandras02: calls 2725
*** FLOP *** [Ad Tc 5d]
cryptopsy111 is connected
*** TURN *** [Ad Tc 5d] [3s]
*** RIVER *** [Ad Tc 5d 3s] [4d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
bandras02: shows [6c 4h] (a pair of Fours)
Live21: shows [9h Kc] (high card Ace)
bandras02 collected 10650 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 10650 | Rake 0
Board [Ad Tc 5d 3s 4d]
Seat 1: CoolADD (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: alkiedalkie (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: bandras02 (big blind) showed [6c 4h] and won (10650) with a pair of Fours
Seat 4: writter78 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: atata21 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Live21 showed [9h Kc] and lost with high card Ace
Seat 7: GrandMP81 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: cypis28 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

14-06-2009 15:45 #23| 0

Det ser så desværre ud til at det ikke har hjulpet at skrive til dem endnu!!
Jeg har ellers også lige sendt dem en lille "venlig" hilsen om at jeg ikke er helt tilfreds.. men ser ikke ud til at jeg skal forvente at få meget ud af det:-(

14-06-2009 15:50 #24| 0

Gumple, tiltider hjælper det at tude lidt, men mtt, især med korte levels er sick varians præget.

min måde at arbejde igennem det er at spille lidt mindre, og spille billigere tours.

Det er mentalt, man spiller hænder man ikke burde spille, kommer i sværere spots, hænger sig mere i beats osv osv.

mens jeg skrev det tabte jeg så en af dem jeg taber 99/100 af for tiden, obv en hånd der aldrig burde spilles på denne måde, men var i frustration, hvilket kun forstærker den spiral.

PokerStars Game #29352111888: Tournament #171708196, $3.00+$0.25 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2009/06/14 14:48:25 CET [2009/06/14 8:48:25 ET]
Table '171708196 4' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: 7morir7 (1500 in chips)
Seat 2: gá-ti (1300 in chips)
Seat 3: mt100 (3740 in chips)
Seat 4: stefko69 (1160 in chips)
Seat 5: HerdDog (1300 in chips)
Seat 6: Live21 (1500 in chips)
Seat 7: ViDss (1500 in chips)
Seat 8: infidel2005 (1500 in chips)
mt100: posts small blind 10
stefko69: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Live21 [Ad Qs]
HerdDog: calls 20
Live21: raises 1480 to 1500 and is all-in
ViDss: folds
infidel2005: folds
7morir7: folds
gá-ti: folds
mt100: folds
stefko69: folds
HerdDog: calls 1280 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (200) returned to Live21
*** FLOP *** [2c Qd Kh]
*** TURN *** [2c Qd Kh] [9h]
*** RIVER *** [2c Qd Kh 9h] [4c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
HerdDog: shows [9s Ks] (two pair, Kings and Nines)
Live21: shows [Ad Qs] (a pair of Queens)
HerdDog collected 2630 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2630 | Rake 0
Board [2c Qd Kh 9h 4c]
Seat 1: 7morir7 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: gá-ti (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: mt100 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: stefko69 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: HerdDog showed [9s Ks] and won (2630) with two pair, Kings and Nines
Seat 6: Live21 showed [Ad Qs] and lost with a pair of Queens
Seat 7: ViDss folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: infidel2005 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

14-06-2009 15:56 #25| 0

Der er 15 min blinds i den 4.40$ sng jeg spiller så det er ikke fordi at der ikke er tid nok.. så jeg kan næsen heller ikke spille dem billigere;)
Det er så også KK jeg spiller som jeg raiser pre flop.. det re da HELT hen i vejeret at han caller med 6 3 og så slevfølgelig bliver han betalt for det.. det er typisk når man er op imod en CL.. på turn better jeg 13488 i en pot på 7625 og han caller me hans flotte par 6.. selvfølgelig med hans str draw.. men det er da så fucked up at han bliver betalt for hans stupide spil!!!!! Jeg kommer heller ikke til at spille mere idag.. så håber jeg er kølet ned igen til imorgen.... og så at stars har fået taget sig sammen der!!!!

14-06-2009 15:57 #26| 0

tabte også lige 2000fpp med AA vs Q5 på Q39.. River: Q

klamt klamt klamt

14-06-2009 16:32 #27| 0

3.33 rebuy igen igen igen

PokerStars Game #29353087060: Tournament #169978061, $3.03+$0.30 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2009/06/14 15:29:14 CET [2009/06/14 9:29:14 ET]
Table '169978061 1' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: lostrom (2000 in chips)
Seat 2: Live21 (3960 in chips)
Seat 3: wastar$ (3890 in chips)
Seat 4: asgawer (1970 in chips)
Seat 5: BPO74 (1950 in chips)
Seat 6: Prezes_PL (8160 in chips)
Seat 8: vidar_veka (10070 in chips)
Seat 9: aa_aex (4000 in chips)
Live21: posts small blind 15
wastar$: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Live21 [Ks Kh]
asgawer: folds
BPO74: folds
Prezes_PL: folds
vidar_veka: folds
aa_aex: raises 3970 to 4000 and is all-in
lostrom: folds
Live21: calls 3945 and is all-in
wastar$: folds
Uncalled bet (40) returned to aa_aex
*** FLOP *** [3h 2d 3d]
*** TURN *** [3h 2d 3d] [Ts]
*** RIVER *** [3h 2d 3d Ts] [8c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Live21: shows [Ks Kh] (two pair, Kings and Threes)
aa_aex: shows [Td Tc] (a full house, Tens full of Threes)
aa_aex collected 7950 from pot
Live21 re-buys and receives 4000 chips for $6.06
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 7950 | Rake 0
Board [3h 2d 3d Ts 8c]
Seat 1: lostrom (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Live21 (small blind) showed [Ks Kh] and lost with two pair, Kings and Threes
Seat 3: wastar$ (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: asgawer folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: BPO74 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Prezes_PL folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: vidar_veka folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: aa_aex showed [Td Tc] and won (7950) with a full house, Tens full of Threes

14-06-2009 16:35 #28| 0

@ Live

Vi må vel bare erkende at en lille pause måske ville være et godt valg.. for det ser ud til at det er $$ ud af vinduet for os begge lige for tiden:(

14-06-2009 18:14 #29| 0

Hehe. Har taget konsekvensen af doomswitchen og sørger her for at komme ind med den dårligste hånd.... Det er en ENdollar DoN:

PokerStars Game #29355586177: Tournament #171734551, $1.00+$0.15 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2009/06/14 11:02:37 ET
Table '171734551 1' 10-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: D4NT3 (1610 in chips)
Seat 2: Renniez (1430 in chips)
Seat 3: JackiRR (1770 in chips)
Seat 4: flopbum (1390 in chips)
Seat 5: fryyyy (1470 in chips)
Seat 6: Pampinoplas (1450 in chips)
Seat 7: vanduragmc (1500 in chips)
Seat 8: Zengdar (1470 in chips)
Seat 9: ovchinnicov (1510 in chips)
Seat 10: sgschoeb (1400 in chips)
ovchinnicov: posts small blind 10
sgschoeb: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to flopbum [5s 6s]
D4NT3: folds
Renniez: raises 20 to 40
JackiRR: folds
flopbum: calls 40
fryyyy: folds
Pampinoplas: folds
vanduragmc: folds
Zengdar: folds
ovchinnicov: folds
sgschoeb: calls 20
*** FLOP *** [2c 8s Qs]
sgschoeb: checks
Renniez: bets 80
flopbum: calls 80
sgschoeb: folds
*** TURN *** [2c 8s Qs] [5c]
Renniez: bets 300
flopbum: calls 300
*** RIVER *** [2c 8s Qs 5c] [6h]
Renniez: bets 300
flopbum: calls 300
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Renniez: shows [Ks Kh] (a pair of Kings)
flopbum: shows [5s 6s] (two pair, Sixes and Fives)
flopbum collected 1490 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1490 | Rake 0
Board [2c 8s Qs 5c 6h]
Seat 1: D4NT3 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Renniez showed [Ks Kh] and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 3: JackiRR folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: flopbum showed [5s 6s] and won (1490) with two pair, Sixes and Fives
Seat 5: fryyyy folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Pampinoplas folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: vanduragmc folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Zengdar (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: ovchinnicov (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 10: sgschoeb (big blind) folded on the Flop


Gnæk-gnæk. Svagt af mig ikke at skubbe river.

14-06-2009 18:33 #30| 0

Tror gutshooter har fat i noget af det rigtige :)

14-06-2009 20:17 #31| 0

har også prøvet at tabe et flip engang håber aldrig det sker igen

14-06-2009 20:22 #32| 0

Giovanelli.....

14-06-2009 20:23 #33| 0

loooooooooooooool kunne ikke lade være

14-06-2009 22:20 #34| 0

hvor jeg dog hader stars
PokerStars Spil #29363970755: Turnering#168846061, Freeroll Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (125/250) - 14/06/2009 21:16:15 CET [14/06/2009 15:16:15 ET]
Bord '168846061 308' 9-max Knappen er på plads #9
Plads 1: bust9 (205 i chips)
Plads 2: rasmusgrove (6510 i chips)
Plads 3: AP49 (4125 i chips)
Plads 4: nikzz (7372 i chips)
Plads 5: mjhp1 (6816 i chips)
Plads 6: BrobergDK (5243 i chips)
Plads 7: M.Risager (5912 i chips)
Plads 8: Markthesaint (5330 i chips)
Plads 9: CLthe1. (3126 i chips)
bust9: poster ante 25
rasmusgrove: poster ante 25
AP49: poster ante 25
nikzz: poster ante 25
mjhp1: poster ante 25
BrobergDK: poster ante 25
M.Risager: poster ante 25
Markthesaint: poster ante 25
CLthe1.: poster ante 25
bust9: poster small blind 125
rasmusgrove: poster big blind 250
*** KORT ***
Givet til mjhp1 [Qd Qc]
AP49: kalder 250
nikzz: folder
mjhp1: raiser 6541 til 6791 og er all-in
BrobergDK: folder
M.Risager: folder
Markthesaint: folder
CLthe1.: folder
bust9 har brugt al TID mens spilleren var afbrudt
bust9: folder
bust9 sidder ude
rasmusgrove: folder
AP49: kalder 3850 og er all-in
Ikke callet bet (2691) returneret til mjhp1
*** FLOP *** [Jc 8c Qh]
*** TURN *** [Jc 8c Qh] [9d]
*** RIVER *** [Jc 8c Qh 9d] [2c]
*** SHOWDOWN ***
AP49: viser [Th As] (en straight, otte til dame)
mjhp1: viser [Qd Qc] (tre ens, damer)
AP49 vandt 8800 fra potten
*** RESUMÈ ***
Pot i alt: 8800 | Rake 0
Bord [Jc 8c Qh 9d 2c]
Plads 1: bust9 (small blind) foldede før flop
Plads 2: rasmusgrove (big blind) foldede før flop
Plads 3: AP49 viste [Th As] og vandt (8800) med en straight, otte til dame
Plads 4: nikzz foldede før flop (bettede ikke)
Plads 5: mjhp1 viste [Qd Qc] og tabte med tre ens, damer
Plads 6: BrobergDK foldede før flop (bettede ikke)
Plads 7: M.Risager foldede før flop (bettede ikke)
Plads 8: Markthesaint foldede før flop (bettede ikke)
Plads 9: CLthe1. (knap) foldede før flop (bettede ikke)

14-06-2009 22:21 #35| 0

PokerStars Spil #29363628341: Turnering#171774019, $4.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 14/06/2009 15:07:08 ET
Bord '171774019 8' 9-max Knappen er på plads #4
Plads 1: anteup22 (2665 i chips)
Plads 2: hannes41 (7860 i chips)
Plads 3: LUCky-R0CKed (2935 i chips)
Plads 4: Mackmaniac (1730 i chips)
Plads 6: rickferrell (3860 i chips)
Plads 7: Agrassiv (5970 i chips)
Plads 8: JonnyJancker (2515 i chips)
Plads 9: xXantoineXx (3430 i chips)
rickferrell: poster small blind 75
Agrassiv: poster big blind 150
*** KORT ***
Givet til Agrassiv [Jd 4c]
JonnyJancker: folder
xXantoineXx: folder
anteup22: folder
hannes41: folder
LUCky-R0CKed: kalder 150
Mackmaniac: folder
rickferrell: kalder 75
Agrassiv: checker
*** FLOP *** [Ac Jc Js]
rickferrell: better 600
Agrassiv: raiser 1200 til 1800
LUCky-R0CKed: folder
Agrassiv sagde, "ohhh"
rickferrell: raiser 1910 til 3710 og er all-in
Agrassiv: kalder 1910
*** TURN *** [Ac Jc Js] [7d]
Agrassiv sagde, "missclicked uppppppps"
*** RIVER *** [Ac Jc Js 7d] [Ah]
*** SHOWDOWN ***
rickferrell: viser [4d As] (et fuldt hus, esser over bønder)
Agrassiv: viser [Jd 4c] (et fuldt hus, bønder over esser)
rickferrell vandt 7870 fra potten
*** RESUMÈ ***
Pot i alt: 7870 | Rake 0
Bord [Ac Jc Js 7d Ah]
Plads 1: anteup22 foldede før flop (bettede ikke)
Plads 2: hannes41 foldede før flop (bettede ikke)
Plads 3: LUCky-R0CKed foldede på flop
Plads 4: Mackmaniac (knap) foldede før flop (bettede ikke)
Plads 6: rickferrell (small blind) viste [4d As] og vandt (7870) med et fuldt hus, esser over bønder
Plads 7: Agrassiv (big blind) viste [Jd 4c] og tabte med et fuldt hus, bønder over esser
Plads 8: JonnyJancker foldede før flop (bettede ikke)
Plads 9: xXantoineXx foldede før flop (bettede ikke)

14-06-2009 23:07 #36| 0

en her som kan forklare mig hvorfor han caller den her preflop?

vi kan godt blive enige i at min start hånd ikke er den bedste
men hvordan fanden kan modstanderen tro,han er foran her?:)
det skal lige siges at han brugte noget tid til at tænke over det..

det han gør er jo den visse død,altså bare ikke denne gang..shit

det skal lige siges der var 20 tilbage...



PokerStars Spil #29365569447: Turnering#171774019, $4.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (150/300) - 14/06/2009 15:55:00 ETBord '171774019 8' 9-max Knappen er på plads #2Plads 1: anteup22 (10520 i chips) Plads 2: jojo15631 (3830 i chips) Plads 3: ReedHu77 (6234 i chips) Plads 5: westyface (9514 i chips) Plads 6: rickferrell (3155 i chips) Plads 7: Agrassiv (5055 i chips) Plads 9: thehammer111 (14323 i chips) anteup22: poster ante 25jojo15631: poster ante 25ReedHu77: poster ante 25westyface: poster ante 25rickferrell: poster ante 25Agrassiv: poster ante 25thehammer111: poster ante 25ReedHu77: poster small blind 150westyface: poster big blind 300*** KORT ***Givet til Agrassiv [4h Qh]rickferrell: folder Agrassiv: raiser 1200 til 1500thehammer111: folder thehammer111 sidder udeanteup22: folder jojo15631: folder ReedHu77: kalder 1350westyface: folder *** FLOP *** [6c 5h 9c]ReedHu77: checker Agrassiv: better 3530 og er all-inReedHu77: kalder 3530*** TURN *** [6c 5h 9c] [Tc]*** RIVER *** [6c 5h 9c Tc] [9d]*** SHOWDOWN ***ReedHu77: viser [Qs Js] (et par, niere)Agrassiv: viser [4h Qh] (et par, niere - lavere kicker)ReedHu77 vandt 10535 fra potten*** RESUMÈ ***Pot i alt: 10535 | Rake 0 Bord [6c 5h 9c Tc 9d]Plads 1: anteup22 foldede før flop (bettede ikke)Plads 2: jojo15631 (knap) foldede før flop (bettede ikke)Plads 3: ReedHu77 (small blind) viste [Qs Js] og vandt (10535) med et par, nierePlads 5: westyface (big blind) foldede før flopPlads 6: rickferrell foldede før flop (bettede ikke)Plads 7: Agrassiv viste [4h Qh] og tabte med et par, nierePlads 9: thehammer111 foldede før flop (bettede ikke)

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